The WORST Defense for Bad Games!

Look, i know this video was definitely more Sonic fans on PC due to the context of the video, But Holy Shit does this also Apply with both Starbound (With the mod "Galaxy in Conflict") and Bethesda Software games!

Like... Jesus guys its gonna take more than mods to make Fallout 4, Skyrim, or Starbound into Good games.

A bandage on a wound that never should have been there.

Terrible video man , disappointed.
Hopefully someone can mod it sometimes later 🙏👌

a great game you can enjoy an mod,

a bad game will be all about mods

I think mods should'nt be required but for something like the dreamcast conversion mod for sonic adventure its basically the same game but how it was originally intended, and it does improve even from the og game, plus for stuff like big you can basically just get one single mod for that to be able to catch froggy and that's literally it

Sonic Adventure had good parts, but honestly playing it again recently after beating the Sonic and Tails sections I kind of lost interest. Amy and Gamma are okay, I have NEVER liked the treasure hunting parts of Knuckles and I can only be happy that Big goes by fast.

I personally love sa1 but i respect your opinion

Defending a game for being half-baked by arguing it needs third-party content in order to be playable is probably one of the worst yet shockingly prevalent attitudes I’ve seen in many fandoms

Bethesda community was so try hard

I always thought Sonic Adventure was as fun as Mario 64
I understand that Mario 64 is much more polished but I always enjoyed the mechanics of Sonic Adventure

Argh, what? You didn't like Sonic Adventure?! 🦔💨 Errr, this guy is delusional and misinformed. Now I'm not gonna watch the rest of the video and complain in the comments.

The jokes made me crack up, Chazz. Good Job

This has always been my argument against Skyrim. Without mods Skyrim is a shallow game with mid-to-low tier writing, weak combat that has no impact, and is so bug laden that a literal bug (a bee) shot you into the stratosphere when you started the game.

erm, SM64 is mid ☝🤓

Yea you cant credit the studio or devs or suits for modders work. And i generally use mods for games that i already liked that mods make even better.

Games like total war warhammer are kinda cool but without mods they are unplayable.

All he did was suggest a method where you could have more fun. He didn't even say that mods make the game good or anything. This video is a waste of time.

Kinda ironic since I basically dont want to play mario 64 for its flaws that the ds version midigates somewhat (i will abuse Luigi's backflip glide, idgaf, rainbow ride is the worst sky level I ever played in a game) but even then later mario games made some tweaks with air movement options that I feel 64 badly needs.

And while it does have its issues, The Sonic adventure games I can still enjoy vanilla even with all the improvements mods can do. sonic team has a bad habit of mapping conflicting moves to one button, bounce into a pit when trying to ring dash or attack chao when trying to pick em up? Thats the main reason I use mods for sa2, I can still play without that mod just fine but it is a nice thing to have I will admit. Otherwise I just be like throwing in character skins for fun

So true!

Sonic Adventure sucks ass😂 compared to Mario 64

What if bro played on a console and couldn’t mod the game at all meaning the only experience he was stuck with was the base game from its original release.


Also sonic adventure has a die hard fanbase of people saying it’s better than Mario 64 because of the fact it has a better story. Please enlighten me a single time a Mario Platformer has had a thorough and serious story elements throughout the game

So you played Sonic Adventure 1 on the Dreamcast and didn't enjoy it? I dunno man, I would say you're a lost cause then. I say the modding argument works when there's a version of the game that is better on a different platform and the PC mods just fix issues on the PC port that should've been fixed by the devs. Bad port =/= bad game imo.

I am not sure about that. I mean, I am a Mario fan, but never like Mario 64 and Sunshine. 64's controls made him feel even and didn't turn on a dim, he work do a walk around when try to make go back whick leads to a lot game overs and it was very unfun, especially to 100%, Sunshine had better controls but it was the worst collectioning type game I have played around that time. 64 just didn't hold a candle to better 3D platformers around the time, like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Conker, Banjo-Kazooie, Rayman 2, MegaMan Legends (I know its not a platformer but still a great 3D game) and Sonic Adventure. Mario just had a rocky start in 3D, to me Mario Galaxy will be always first good 3D Mario. Galaxy is when 3D Mario finally gotten good, a long with Galaxy 2, 3D World, Bowser's Fur and Odyssey

Way to argue against someone you made up in your damn head, dude.

People aren't telling you to mod the game on PC to "fix the game" through methods not available to the original developers(unless you count widescreen). They just want to RESTORE what was lost in the MULTIPLE iterations of a port that started out broken.

Lighting effects, the sound mixing, transparencies, textures, collision detection, various effects like the bubbles inside of Chaos, even the fucking deadzones on the analog stick were broken by DX, and have been restored by mods.

Hell, even the more accurate Japanese translation mod could be considered a restoration, as the English dub was of noticably lower quality in both writing(legit causing misconceptions that permeate the fandom TO THIS DAY), and in terms of the performances. Since the dub wasn't completed until a year later, it could be considered the first mark against the original's quality.

While there are SOME mods that outright change things, the mods people tell you to install just bring back what was lost. Everything they're telling you to restore was already IN the original game, numb nuts! You literally even cited an example of another mod doing EXACTLY that in the damn video!

And it's all on a very easy to use installer that handles all of the hard work for you, so there's no reason not to do it unless you are literally stupid.

Also, emulating the Dreamcast version, as you seem to have done, still leaves various effects broken, and the audio screwed up, since Dreamcast emulation is honestly pretty shitty compared to say, Dolphin.

So basically, stop coping, take your L, and do better.

Chazz is like the autistic community's personal 9/11 with the amount of based Sonic hate

There's a video of Resident Evil 4 welcome to hell mode. There are a lot of changes in the game, like in the village. There's more chainsaw guy's the zombies are gone it's actually funny, same bosses, though. 💯😂

Facts man. I hate this defense. It might be better with mods, but if we can't criticize any game because you can mod it, then that means we can't criticize anything.

This is like the difference between Star Wars Battlefront 2 made in 2005, to E A's Battlefront 2. People said, "Just mod it." with the new one, but what people forget is while mods are amazing on the original 2005 and keep the game popular even today like with the Battlefront 3 legacy mod, the vanilla game was already epic. Whereas E A's was a lootbox filled mess and was only playable after all the various patches and updates, and even then, it was hardly a balanced game.

To say nothing of the Aspyr re-release of the classics, which somehow managed to turn a playable classic game into a buggy mess....like seriously, how do you screw up that bad?

I think another reason people like Super Mario 64 more than Sonic adventure is that one is a lot simpler to get into. When I pick a level in Mario 64 the objective is told to me right away, Sonic adventure on the other hand had me confused enough that I had to put it down.

I have this problem with Minecraft fans, they just say "oh modding fix the game issues" ok? That doesnt change that the game has issues, and devs are too lazy to work on them

Also, sometimes mods ruin games, for example, command and conquer generals, is a strategy game with 3 teams, each team has features that other team dont have, which make each team unique and different to play with, then mods come, and give each team almost the same abilities, andits not one mod, many mods does the same thing, thats why vanilla is much better than mods

Modding a game requires you to buy a bad game. The devs have no reason to change if you give them money.

Thats crazy that you didnt even like the sonic levels in sonic adventure. Like straight up ngl maybe sonic isnt for you

I don't think it's fair to compare two very different games, just because both games are platformers doesn't make them similar enough to compare, people can enjoy both games for very different reasons. as where sonic is a somewhat linear level, yet speedy action adventure gameplay where story is a little more of the focus where as mario is a slower, more open collectathon where gameplay is the main attraction. Just as people will get mods to try to make sonic adventure better, people will also do the same for mario 64. plus it's not like the presentation for mario 64 was good either, the models are low poly, textures pixelated, voice acting and timing are delivered weirdly sometimes, but these games were released in the 90s as their first ever attempt at a 3d game. and imo both games did really good for their first attempt as they were both revolutionary in their respective specialties.

I will agree the sentiment of downloading mods to make a game better isn't foolproof, it isn't fair to ignore the fact people also say the same for sm64 too. not to mention what the team making sonic adventure was trying to do with what they had at the time, succeeded at, and worked on in future entries.

lol 😂

I think its the same with Cyberpunk 2077 . The game isnt bad because of the vugs and technical problems . Its designed to be bad and no matter how many updates , mods and changes it needed , it is still a bad game from design.

Modding the game to be better isnt an argument for the game but even against the game which means often that the game was actually bad and needs only mods to be good .

Thats why skyrim is extremly mediocre alone . Successfull but mediocre beyond any pain-tolerance whatsoever.

I hate the defense of "well this mod makes the game so much better, you should play that instead of vanilla". Because if a game is bad, or i otherwise don't like it, why would I learn to mod it when i can just play a game I do like instead (and maybe mod that game too)?

The Dreamcast conversion mod/pack is to make Sonic Adventure play and look like the original version of the game I agree that most games just mod it is a dumb argument but not Sonic Adventure considering the PC port is a port of a port so if you're going to actually compare Sonic Adventure to Mario 64 compare the original version or use the Dreamcast conversion mod which makes it to be the original version

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Fun fact the original 1999 japanese sonic adventure website is still up, you can access it through sonic retro because i cant post links here, it details stuff like places sonic team went for level and hubworld inspirations and downloadable videos. Its all in japanese so equip Google translate

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this argument is hard to reply to ...
not cuz there is no reply
but kinda like how its hard to reply to those who say (just mod it)
i mean i get the point but the question then becomes ...(dustborn was ...... it was somethin and it should never have been made even if a mod fixes it right ? but sonic as a franchise or game was good for the most part till "dustborn staff get to it" sooooo should a faulty sonic game which is part of a good franchise that can be fixed with a mod exist ? or should they never have tried to begin with ?)
or some kind of jumbled thought and reply like that

sorry if im not making sense 😅 im trying my best to understand chazz's argument here

I'm glad I'm not alone on this. I love learning to mod on games I enjoy such as DB Xenoverse 2, Saints Row 2, Skyrim, etc. But I hate it when people would use modding as a copout to justify purchasing or even spend time on certain titles. If i have to pay to larp as a part time game developer to make a game better, then why bother? At this point, I should be an indie dev. At least I can properly monetize it. Plus theres other issues I can go on, but that's for another day.

Modding can make any game good. But the real problem is games you CANT play without modding. And theyre still sold for money.

Modding the game indeed fixes issues, but keep in mind that it’s not the publisher or team behind the game.

Nah SA1 is still better than Mario 64. Then again i am just a nintendrone i cant argue against your Arin Hanson level of commentary of " Its sucks, thats my Opinion" as you play INFERIOR VERSIONS.

That's even worse with Bethesda games. They're a prime example of devs effectively being lazy with the belief the modding community will just plug the leaking holes on their products. Dragons flying backwards might be funny the first 2 or 3 times, but after a while, those bugs and glitches aren't funny anymore. And the main issue with unofficial patches is that while it fixes the gamebreaking stuff, it might also break or alter things to the modder's own discretion.

The comment you made this video on literally said mod it to restore the game to be more like the original.

Great video, if anyone doesn't like it they should just change your video into what they like! Does that sound dumb? Because it is, just like the mod defense of bad games!