Fujifilm X-M5 - About That Autofocus and Extra Footage

Just dropping in with no previous knowledge..do you have boost mode on?

Not top notch. Video af-c looks completely out of focus.

I feel like we are into the extremes of nit-picking with these tests now.

Love your videos. I learned so much on this channel 🫶 thanks pal2tech!

I think we're focusing on a completely wrong thing here.

What Fujifilm doing is like playing a game of chasing the eye using box, even though it shouldn't.

Box should be just an information that eye is detected in frame and the focus is at that position.

With this premises, I'm sure Fuji isn't in the correct path of nailing focus at all. At least achieving Sony level of stickiness.

Predicting isn't chasing but intercepting with many confirmed variables. With good Intercept, 3-5 steps faster can be achieved. Chasing is always slower than target until the target stops.

As long as a video has chapter markers, I see not much reason in being afraid of some extra total length.

Your knowledge and experience is so precious! Thanks for sharing 🙌🏻

Comparison X-T5 an X-M5 you used AF-S and AF-C so no wonder Xt-5 was doing worse

What about auto focus for video?!??

I feel like some of the autofocus tests (the ones with you that you showed nearer the start) might have been better with a faster shutter speed. Is 1/200 fast enough to keep you sharp when you're moving around the frame that quickly? I know the one of your wife is faster, but she doesn't seem to be moving as crazily as you ;)

Amazing set of videos, thank you so much. It's really helping me feel more informed on my next purchase!

Would love to see you test this with the xt3 :) its old but xt3 has gotten much better AF after updates

Fuji just cant fix CAf ... its that simple!

All these tests should be done at lowest apertures. F4.4 or f5 means nothing at all to me. Try it at f1.8 and do not keep the subject at the same distance to the lens. The movement should be direct to the lens so the focus distance changes and we will see if Fuji is capable of following the change. I can get more or less the same results here with a manual focus too since the focus distance is same and F.5 :))

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The problem is that it is nearly the end of 2024…Autofocusing is the only thing that could be better than any time. Fuji set the expectation too high when they launched the XH2s. Beginners may care about all the other features but loyal Fuji users know their camera and could only expecting a better autofocus 😂

Wouldn't it be better to hack the raw file as a X-S20 file, as they have the same sensor? But, anyway you made it.

Jumping sideways frenetically doesn’t require the lens focus motor to move. As we can see, as soon as the subject moves closer towards the camera, those are the misfocused shots. And the focal length and aperture values aren’t even challenging. Just walk towards the camera in a straight line at normal speed until the head fills the frame. Use a 33mm f1.4 lens.

So you find this camera not worth keeping?

Great job Chris. Don’t mind the A-holes… just move forward. Greeting from Brasil!

Hi uncle Paul, an idea could be launching a review "Part #1" focusing on "something" on the date you had decided to do it. Then a "Part #2" on "something else"..
The end result should be an overall longer and more detailed video with no problem regarding viewers ' attention span and gives you the possibility/time to say/show us everything you have to say..
Just an idea.
Thanks for your videos !!

Placing an a6000 with a 33mm f1.4 lenses nets 90-95% hit rate.

The xs20 i tested hit the same figure at 33mm f5.6 , once it gets brought to level playing field , it drops to 30-40% hit rate , jesus.

For everyone complaining about these tests, I'm sure those more open aperture tests will come. And, he did say he wanted to utilize the XC15-45mm kit lens that comes with the camera in that first video. He was also under a time constraint as someone who was given a pre-launch opportunity. As for me, I'm waiting to see if there is a significant difference once this next firmware update is released because of the claim that they have nailed down the problem and fixed it. We will see. Thanks for your continued programming Chris! Have a great day.

Lucky us, we get to see a second video. Thanks for sharing.

Fuji was never great with AF. It does the thing for some jobs, but not for high speed requirements.

I'm sure AF better now, in some ways, but it's still not Sony level. Us loyal Fuji users don't mind too much though. Learn your tool, work with it, not have it do everything for you.

If you're using Fuji for your talking head videos, that's good enough for me. 👍🏽 Don't mind the noise, keep up the great work Chris!

the XC line of lenses needs to be discontinued. they are garbage. putting an XC lens on is like putting a bargain UV filter from walmart on the camera. just don't use them. and Fuji needs to stop selling them.

Over a year ago I had a terrible time with lots of out of focus photos at an event I covered with my X-T5, at the time no one was saying anything about the issue. I ended up selling my fuji gear and switched to Sony, it was a hard call and I felt like I was being too picky, in the end I was pleased with my decision. Your videos really helped reinforce that I wasn't crazy and from what I can see the focus issues seems to have gotten worse. I really hope Fuji fixes this soon, but I'm enjoying a system that nails focus 98% of the time because in the end it's the photos that matter most to me, not the gear that takes it.

X-T5 is not a fair comparison. Different sensors and sensor sizes too. Processing 24mp and 40mp.

The obsession with autofocus systems, so many people display (your listeners, not you Chris) somewhat amuses me. Back when I learned to take photos (sometime during last century ;-0) no camera had autofocus at all, and believe it or not, you could take good photos with these anyways. My cameras ("old" APSC Canons, and, of course, a Fuji X-T4, X-S20, and since some months now even an X-M1) have autofocus systems which work well enough in many cases. If my business work would depend on it, I might be tempted to look at other systems, sure, but for my beloved hobby the autofocus is good enough most of the time. There are other pet peeves which I could argue about, of course.

Regarding viewers attention spans: if we always shorten explanations, videos, etc. to "care" for the attention span challenged, we will end with zero second attention spans finally. Teach people to watch longer videos Chris. Chapter jump marks should be enough to skip over stuff not of interest to the next part.

And last but not least, as someone else already said, don't be so apologetic Chris. You're doing a marvelous job and I learned numerous details about Fuji cameras from you.

Excellent video!! What EXIF editor did you use for the raw files?

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X-M5 the Fujifilm with the best autofocus 😂🤔 and this under 1000€

Even with the box on the face, fuji has the ability to miss focus... go figure

Chris! Just wanted to say how much I'm enjoying and getting out of your channel. As a novice who's really hungry to progress quickly with his Fuji camera, your channel is perfect. I'm really enjoying my photography journey more because of it. Thanks!

Always Love your videos!

On the XM5 seems to be activated the boost mode. Was it also activated on the XT5? At least I can not see it on the display... Great review by the way!!!

It's important to understand the issues here rather than double-down on personal data and release more context...

Great test, comparing the X-T5 on AF-S with the X-M5 on AF-C, testing AF at F5.0 on high ISO so you cannot really tell if the face is in focus or not. Not finding 3 minutes in that one week to do a proper focusing test with a fast lens. This video should be called "pretending to test the AF in such a way that i won't upset Fuji so they'll send me more gear".

Reading through the comments here and that other dudes video , it seems those shouting the loudest don't own a Fuji camera at all. Its utterly bizare.

I notice when comparing the AF between X-T5 with X-M5, the X-T5 was on AF-S and X-M5 AF-C. If you're going to compare AF systems between 2 cameras, at least have identical AF settings on both. Also, why not test a fast prime wide open and walk towards the camera in a straight line, then retreat backwards and force the AF to actually adjust with subject distance? Side to side movements do not require AF adjustments and are completely pointless. If he'd used a wide open aperture he could've increased the shutter speed and nullified a lot of the motion blur in the sideway movement shots and then we could really see if it was in focus. I personally do not think the AF has improved and I don't care how good or bad the tracking is if the subject is out of focus. This test just reaffirms my view that Fuji's AF is ok for stills, but for anything that moves you're better off with a Canon, Nikon or Sony.

f/2.8 at 18mm. Congrats. The X-M5 has Canon 70D-level autofocus.

But damn, that muddy watercolor effect is STILL there in 2024?

The X-M5, like all recent Fuji's has deep, deep fundamental problems with its autofocus. Just simply use any lens at a wide open aperture and start filming a STATIC subject that fills lets say 25% of the frame, like a person standing 10 ft away... it will hunt back and forth from the person to the background. The eye tracking box will stay accurate but the box doesn't really match what is the focus point. I LOVE Fuji, I love my X-T5, I love my X-100VI and I really appreciate pal2tech all these years being here for Fuji fans like us... but I will NOT buy anymore Fuji cameras until they really, really solve the focus issues with their platform. It doesn't have to be Sony perfect, but it needs to not be laughable by 2024 standards, and no excuse of cost, "its still better than a decade ago", or "well there are still some keepers" is enough anymore. Out of focus shots should be the rare exception instead of 25% or higher of my shots.

Thanks for the extras. Nikon fixed its AF in 3 generations, we are in fifth or sixth generation with Fuji film and we are still talking about how bad the Fuji AF is!

what happened to your skin tones!

Sorry to say autofocus is still far behind competition. I think fuji should stop making more cameras and instead work on software

What wrong with fujifilm, I've invested so much in this brand but they are disappointing with this focus thing 😞

Your viewers are patient, please 🎉Relax.

XT5 is in AFS..... and XM5 in AFC......

Do you usually film yourself at high f-stops? It’s ok if you only have the poor man’s kit lens. But usually we want to separate ourselves from the background and the Afc must work at low apertures as 1.4 with primes like the 16mm. This could be much more realistic and interesting.