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In that case jesus is self generated itself then maybe another Jesus self generated to ?
ОтветитьThe level of ignorance is the issue. Incapable of seeing the truth. I understood long ago that for most, they already have their truth ans they'll defend it until death. You cannnot debate with that
ОтветитьCooked what the injil what the injil what the injil
ОтветитьHashim is always beating about the bush... He can't even answer the question direct to the point😂😂😂
ОтветитьMuslims want to be right so bad it’s annoying. Christ is King.
ОтветитьI've said the same thing for years. Just let the Muslims talk. They always end up negating their own arguments.
Also, Hashim has a tell. When he's double speaking, he looks down and smiles. Which is often!
Careful having him that heated.... he may blow a....fuse....
Ответитьthis man is a shame to Islamic😂😂
ОтветитьActually black boy lost this heavily
ОтветитьI am from indonesia, i love this very much 😊
ОтветитьCooking him in an hot steam
ОтветитьI don't know since when the Christians and Islam are using the word consciousness. Do they really know the true meaning of consciousness? There are states of consciousness operating in frequency of hertz. If you are talking about consciousness, then you should know the mechanism behind the elctrochemical signal.
ОтветитьBeing and personhood are different
ОтветитьNo matter how many times you answer the question or explain in this case the Trinity, Muslims will not understand because they confuse a God with attributes for a human. They are different beings (human and God) with different abilities or attributes. Without the Holy Spirit, they will never understand. Allah has no Holy Spirit, which is why they are lost and confused.
ОтветитьThe Sun generates Light and Heat. However, the Light 💡 and Heat were there when the Sun began. They will always be there until the Sun exists, different function but all part of the Essence of the Sun.
The Son & the Holy Spirit, eternally emanated from the Father. Same Divine Essence but distinct Divine Persons.
The problem is, this is NOT a Relationship the Human can fully understand like we understand the natural sun. However, the Holy Spirit will reveal enough.
Hashim does NOT have that privilege of the Holy Spirit Revelation. He depends on human logic to understand, when Muhammad was an eeediat.
Hasheem guy is a disgrace and very incompetent. Completely humiliated himself in public.
ОтветитьAvery is a Dictionary yhoooo😭
ОтветитьMuslims' understanding about the Father and Son relationship of the Godhead is that Jesus exist the same as human begets children - through sexual acts.
ОтветитьThe Muslims are stupid. They don't understand anything but the most simple explanations. Any big words and they fall apart.
ОтветитьThe problem is they don't know the difference between essence and personhood let them get the difference or you guys won't be able to converse
ОтветитьHashim is arrogant person and also dumb😂
ОтветитьIs this Muslim this stupid or is he playing extra stupid?
ОтветитьSame identical😂😂😂😂 god..
Where's the logic
Hasim broken 💔 a last
ОтветитьOkay, let's break down that debate for a high school student. Think of it like a debate club showdown, but the topic is something fundamental to a major world religion.
The video features GodLogic, who's defending the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, and Hashem, a Muslim debater who challenges it from an Islamic perspective (which holds to a strict monotheism where God is one, indivisible, and has no partners or offspring).
Here's a breakdown of the key arguments and counter-arguments:
* Defining the Trinity:
* GodLogic's Stance: He defines the Trinity as one God existing in three distinct persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. His core argument is that they share the same divine essence or nature (the "what" God is), but are distinct "persons" (the "who" they are). He often uses analogies to try and illustrate this distinction without falling into the trap of saying there are three gods.
* Hashem's Challenge: Hashem constantly presses GodLogic for a "simple" definition and often interprets GodLogic's explanations as implying three separate deities, which from his perspective, contradicts the idea of one God. He struggles to grasp the concept of distinct persons sharing one being.
* Aseity (Self-Existence) and Generation:
* The Problem Posed: Hashem raises a logical challenge: If the Father "generates" the Son (meaning the Son comes from the Father), how can the Son also be "aseitous" (self-existent, meaning existing independently without being caused by anything else)?
* GodLogic's Response: GodLogic clarifies that the "generation" refers to a relational property within the Godhead – the Son eternally proceeds from the Father. However, both the Father and the Son (and the Spirit) share the divine essence, which itself is aseitous. So, Jesus, as God, is self-existent in terms of his nature, even if he is "begotten" in terms of his personal relationship within the Trinity. This is a subtle but crucial theological distinction.
* Being vs. Personhood – The Core Semantic Clash:
* This is where much of the debate's tension lies.
* GodLogic: Emphasizes that "being" (what God is) is one, while "persons" (who God is) are three. He attempts to use examples to differentiate these concepts.
* Hashem: Often seems to conflate "being" and "person," making it difficult for him to accept how three distinct "whos" can share one "what." He repeatedly tries to force GodLogic into admitting that if there are three persons, there must be three "beings" or Gods.
* The Consciousness of God:
* Hashem's Question: He pushes on whether the Trinity shares one consciousness or if each person has individual consciousness. If they are one God, shouldn't they share one mind?
* GodLogic's Argument: He states that consciousness is tied to personhood. Since there are three distinct, self-aware persons, there are three individual consciousnesses. However, these consciousnesses operate in perfect unity and harmony, without conflict or separate wills, because they share the same divine essence. This is a complex point trying to balance unity with distinction.
* The "Jesus Doesn't Know" Argument (Mark 13:32):
* Hashem's "Gotcha": Hashem cites Mark 13:32, where Jesus states that "no one knows" the hour of his return, "not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Hashem uses this to argue that Jesus cannot be fully divine or equal to the Father if he lacks knowledge that the Father possesses. This is a common argument against Trinitarian co-equality.
* GodLogic's Counter: GodLogic provides a linguistic and theological counter-argument. He suggests the Greek word for "know" (oiden) can also imply "to make known" or "to declare." So, Jesus might be saying it's not his prerogative or role to reveal the hour, rather than a lack of knowledge in his divine nature. This leads to a heated discussion about biblical translation and interpretation.
In essence, the debate is a high-speed intellectual chess match where both participants are trying to expose what they see as logical flaws or inconsistencies in the other's theological framework, often relying on specific scriptural interpretations and philosophical distinctions. It highlights how different faith traditions approach the concept of God and the challenges of discussing complex theological ideas.
Imagine you're watching a pretty intense philosophical debate, but instead of philosophy class, it's about the nature of God, specifically the Christian concept of the Trinity. You've got GodLogic (who's defending the Christian view) and Hashem (a Muslim debater challenging it).
Here's a breakdown of the key arguments:
* The Trinity Explained (and Debated): GodLogic defines the Trinity as one God in three "persons": the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. They all share the same divine "essence" or "being," but they are distinct "persons." Hashem struggles with this, often asking for clearer definitions, sometimes making it seem like he thinks GodLogic is saying there are three Gods. It's like arguing about whether a team of three elite athletes are one super-athlete, or three separate athletes working together.
* "Aseity" (Self-Existence) vs. "Generation": This gets a bit deep. Hashem questions how Jesus can be "self-existent" (meaning, he exists on his own without needing anything else) if the Father "generates" him. GodLogic tries to explain that while Jesus comes from the Father in a relational sense (like a son comes from a father), they both share the same divine nature which is self-existent. It's like asking if a powerful CEO's heir is self-made if their power comes from being the CEO's child.
* "Being" vs. "Personhood": This is a core point of tension. GodLogic argues they share one "being" (the 'what' God is – divine essence) but are three distinct "persons" (the 'who' they are – distinct consciousnesses). Hashem often seems to conflate these two, which leads to a lot of back-and-forth about whether they're talking about one God or three. Think of it like this: three different actors can play the same character (shared "being"), but they are still three distinct individuals (separate "persons").
* Consciousness of God: This is where it gets interesting. Hashem pushes on whether God has one big consciousness or if each "person" of the Trinity has their own. GodLogic argues that because they are distinct persons, they have distinct consciousnesses, but these consciousnesses are perfectly unified within the single divine essence. It's a complex idea about how unity and diversity exist within God.
* The "Jesus Doesn't Know" Argument (Mark 13:32): Hashem brings up a Bible verse where Jesus says that only the Father knows the exact time of the end of the world, not even the Son. Hashem uses this to argue that Jesus isn't equal to the Father if he doesn't know everything the Father knows. GodLogic counters by saying that the Greek word used can also mean "to declare" or "to reveal," suggesting Jesus might be saying it's not his role to reveal that information, rather than he literally doesn't know. This becomes a battle over biblical interpretation and the nuances of ancient languages.
Essentially, the video is a fast-paced, sometimes heated, exchange where both debaters use their knowledge of theology and scripture to try and prove their point, often talking over each other. It really highlights how complex these theological concepts are and how different interpretations can lead to fundamental disagreements.😂
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ОтветитьThe try to say Jesus existence depends on the Father and that He isn’t eternal. Jesus is absolutely Eternal. They are One. Different persons. You see how the Father can’t be classified without a Son? See how the Father needs to have a Son in order to even be called a Father? God always was a Father? Then he always had a Son. Jesus has always been with Him since eternity. He is Alpa and Omega. Jesus is Lord. There aren’t two Lords in Heaven, one King of Kings. Father and Son are ONE
ОтветитьGodlogic is very good in debating with Muslims. I hope the Muslims will see the truth and come to the true living God Jesus Christ and be saved. God bless you man of God.
ОтветитьI really cannot listen to arrogant ignorant Muslim debaters omg 🤦🏽♂️
ОтветитьNo logic got served in this conversation
ОтветитьMuslim has 99 Gods😂😂
ОтветитьNeed to change the title to ‘Muslim yells for 1hr… continues to yell and still doesn’t answer the question’.
ОтветитьMan Avery held his own in this debate. The last point where knowing can also be interpreted as to tell is a bit iffy. I understand his point but contextually, it’s debatable
ОтветитьSome serious cooking here
ОтветитьAm I right in summarizing Avery's point this way;
GOD is a being, a unique existence in and of Himself.
God is unique not only in the fact that He exists outside space, time and matter, but that He is a relational being, a co-existence of three distinct persons.
God's relational nature stems from the fact that He is love, the essence of the emotion, the very origin of it. Because He is love;
1. He is the object from whom love proceeds, Hence, He is the Father of love.
2. He is not dependent on another to be loved and loves Himself eternally. Hence, He is also the subject of love, the one who has experienced love eternally. The Son
3. His loving action or power proceeds from Himself and is directed towards Himself. Hence, He is the power/the action or the Spirit of love. The Holy Spirit.
Again love isn't just an emotion, it encapsulate the expression of a mind and will. Since God loves and is loved in return, He wills to love and be loved. The encapsulation of that will and desire being fulfilled is the Holy Spirit.
So God the Father is the source of love, He is also the recipient of the Love in the Son and is also the very action or "Spirit" of loving, the Holy Spirit. ?
Argue the lie until it becomes truth 😂😂😂 this dude twisted everything like a tornado 🌪️ avery cannot finish his point without this dude cutting him 😂😂😂 its like im watching a video and ads comes up all the time 😂😂😂😂 this argument is finished in a minute if this dude stop yapping while someone talks 😂
ОтветитьLeaving Islam the penalty is death. Enough said. That’s not a religion of peace. I don’t even consider it a religion. It’s the false religion and Muhammad is the false prophet. Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at stake! Jesus is the way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE and NO MAN comes unto the father except through the SON! Amen! 🙏
ОтветитьThis guy tries to debate without trying to understand words Logic is using. And yet he think he is so smart.
ОтветитьI remember watching logic when he first started on tt and now using word i cant comprehend 😂 dhows how much more hes learned and smart he is
ОтветитьThese two are clearly enjoying this, and you can tell that they like each other.
ОтветитьAll that hooray and 100 back up dancers later they still going to hell 😂😂 hashim held his own 🫡
ОтветитьGodLogic explains the complex trinity clearly... If you apply the same question to allah, immediately islam will crumble.... The only anwer "only allah know"..
ОтветитьProverbs 26:4-5, which states, "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, lest you become like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes." This verse emphasizes the importance of not engaging in arguments with fools and the importance of teaching them with wisdom, not foolishness.
ОтветитьThe more I watch. The more I am grateful for the blessing of Islam.
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