WoW's New Catch-up System

So defeated. I made the mistake of not noticing that beast mastery hunter was dookie in shadowlands and i upgraded rylakstalker's twice before I got laughed out of my first few dungeons for not being Marks.

Now I'm stuck behind a grind to get another legendary and I don't even want to play the damn game anymore.

Too many currencies

If you actually need to create a spreadsheet to try to figure out how to upgrade your gear, they're doing something wrong.

😐 I don’t regret quitting.. watching something I love get murdered.

Best way to do gearing with catch up built in:

Earn a currency in dungeons, raids, PVP.. depending on how much content you do the first few weeks your cap goes up (with a diminishing return after a point)...

Your cap naturally goes up week over week as well.

Yeah...2 bad expansions in a row. I'm out. Blizzard has no idea how to make the game fun anymore, and I don't understand why.

Dont you think its still Blizzards fault for Mythic players basically wanting loadouts? They design the systems and hype up RWF in a way that leads to mythic players needing to do so much bullshit that theyd want that. I dont think mythic has a difficulty problem as much as the game has major issues with differences in power, and covenants this expac certainly hasnt helped this.

YAY! Another dipshit system to make WoW (somehow) feel EVEN MORE like a shitty job!

Maybe design the game in a way so catch up mehanics arent necessary

Cant wait for 9.2

Ahhh yes my soon to be favorite wow patch, 50 Shades of Domination.

Finally I don't care about this game. Finally!! That was hard. Almost reinstall it

Why my comment got deleted?

The truth hurts you so bad?

Bummer
It's looking like we're going back to really requiring raiding to push high in m+. Would be nice if m+ gear was the best in m+.

better set up.. audio still shit ( TURN IT UP) <333333333333333

This game keeps amazing me, and not in a good way, every time i log in i just feel bored, like a blanket of mist that keeps you down, best the game has to offer is to grind for mounts/transmog...

An accidental amazing quote. We aren't playing the game anymore. We're playing the systems. Couldn't of said it better myself

I hate that argument of "If they add catchup why don't I wait for next patch"
That's such a random and pointless argument. Why not wait for next expansion to do Shadowlands raids since we'll be higher level looooool. Such a pointless argument.

Hoenstly, I like Warframe. YOu have your Tenno and then you have your warframe. You pick what tree your tenno uses but it is really just icing to the warframe. Only a level cap of 30 and I can hit cap in honestly 10 minutes if I am pushing it. So the game becomes about gathering resources, looking for oddball drops, and just increasing my options while I play and doing challegnes.

In FF14 you can swap classes but theres some players that also have alts for different characters, "this character is only a tank" etc

As Asmongold said: In modern WoW you play the patches, not the expansion.

Comeback of badges :D Found them the best to get the low ones easily for catch up and the higher ones harder to get gear for the slots where you were unlucky.

problem with catch up mechanics is that every expansion I myself see no reason or sense in working hard to get your itemlvl up, since its all going to be easier in a week or month or so, and that leads to not having real reason to play the game until maybe at the end of it all when we have full expansion content to play through with all the catch ups but there's like 50/50 chance that you don't even want to play anymore at that point since then it becomes about "do i care about my itemlvl.. no... am I going to lose meaning of my itemlvl at the next expansion... yes.." so at that point why even play when world of warcraft is a game that plays itself by just not playing it.

DUNGEON in Irvine, huh?

There should be no need for catch up systems because ALL power progression systems (aside from gear) should be account wide. Case closed.

Grind, grind and more grind.... and somebody thought everquest was grindy, or classic... good times (the least grindy expand seems to be WotLK or BC, no wonder they ar ethe best expansions)

For me current wow is a huge disapointment, it came to a point i login, look at my characters and dont play, wrong as i may be, what made wow great isnt there anymore, not even tbc classic is giving me hype

Man I don't want this anymore. I don't want WoW. I've had enough of the negativity. I quit.

Blizzard: Hey cool kids I heard you like systems in your systems to fix those old systems.

The problem with catch up gear is that the game needs catch up gear. It just shows that nobody wants to play the previous content. The game is just a series of menial tasks people don't particularly want to do. They don't value leveling. The open world is treated like a chore to slog through to get to the actual game. The modern WoW experience resembles a 3rd person action game more than an rpg. It's largely on rails now, with randomized daily world quests giving the illusion that it isn't.

how does wow introduce a new system every month but they are just the same as the last one

@Bellular Clips they’ve already implemented so many system into the game over various expansions I think they could accomplish pleasing both perspectives of alts, the “fresh”and the “loadout”

The rpg aspect of wow is purely player driven... the story and lore of wow is so disconnected from any form of player choice... world of warcraft is an mmo... very little actual rpg

So here's how they do catch up in FF14: Each tier has a weekly lockout for loot. When the next tier comes out, they remove the weekly lockout on the previous tier.

That's it. That's all you have to do. Just let people continue to play the previous content with no weekly limits. You can just spam the raid over and over till you are geared enough for the next tier. Takes like half a day, and the old content is kept alive instead of being invalidated cause a new patch came out.

Catch up systems are what ruin retail IMO. They make each raid tier invalid and make the game entirely patch-based instead of expansion based. I would rather an expansion where each raid tier is still as valid as the last when gearing up.

I would honestly love the choice to either start fresh on my alts or to get him rushed up to speed with my alt.
Why cant we have both
They already killed off the RPG part of the MMO over time

You being the warrior of light is pretty much the reason to you being able to be everything so easily and the soul crystals arent a gameplay sacrifice its the basis of where you originaly gain the power of that job as someone with a ton of potential. Shadowbringer has a whole part of the main story dedicated to driving home the point of memories in crystals. Even the trailer for shadowbringers shows hwo having them to just swap between jobs is just something you can do.

There is a simple fix for the 2 camps of "another load out" and " a fresh journey". Its literally just making it a choice like when you could skip the whole lead up to going to the broken shore in legion,skipping the whole lead up to going the BFA zones and for the cloak quest with wrathion where you could skip parts

Well consider that they are sand bagging this expansion. I dunno if any of this matters

14 has an entire seperate inventory for job crystals... but we are running out of slots so far only 4 are left

There's always a catch-up system. It's why not playing the game is more effective than playing the game.

On the alt concept, I have a number of friends who played, got to Shadowlands, and are where they are... But they didn't play during past expansion at all. The Chromie Time was really cool idea for them to see those so they would make an alt, and jump in to say MoP to see that storyline... But then they only really get to do maaaaybe 20-30% of MoP before they are 50. Sure, when Chromie Time ends, they "can" go back but they don't really get any exp or progression. I kind of think I wish you could take Chromie Time to the next level and (if you want) basically lock yourself in that timeline and just play there till you don't want to anymore. Like a permanent Chromie Time Walking, and hell if you can find 10-20 people/friends who want to they could even run dungeons and "raid" during that.

As a DK main, this rune system feels like a slap in the face due to the great rune prune.

You two are never happy.

It's named domination to mirror Blizzard fucking their players in the ass and abusing them constantly.

If your design is based around systems that are grindy, you will eventually create new system to fix a manifactured problem. Now new people can "catch up" and learn how to grind their way up.
Blizzard is literally teaching through their quests at the end of Shadowlands how to grind dailies, weeklies, do world quests etc. - it's so pathetic at this point.
People who have accepted that system before and grinded their way to new armor now actually see that they don't need to play at all to get their gear. Just wait a few months, log in to a new patch and jump on the catch up train. This is a bullshit system. Instead of running for numbers, they should learn how to design UNIQUE armor and UNIQUE mechanics. I don't even know what the name of my armor is, or my weapon, or my trinkets. I just don't fucking care, cause it's some random item I will drop for new items in a few weeks.

Why is enchanting watered down to a few viable solutions?
If I have legendary items, why do I throw them away in the next expansion?
Some world loot from a literal trash mob had me replace my Ashbringer. The fucking Ashbringer.

Blizzard. You are teaching your players to NOT CARE anymore.

A WoW: A Realm Reborn solution won't help you there at all. Cause in the end, even if you'd throw us back to Warcraft 1 to start the shit all over again: I was CONDITIONED for YEARS to not give a shit about it anymore.

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"I wonder if there's a secret dungeon in the Irvine Campus..."

I really hope that ages well.