Arleigh Burke II & VLS Iowa vs Huge Russian Fleet(Kirov, Slava, Sovremenny etc) | Sea Power

It would be super cool to see you do a video on the nuclear equipped. B-52’s. They are very interesting with their nuclear anti-ship missles

Is Cap pressing shift or something to salvo those at single targets? Didn’t realize you could do that.

When using Anti-Land Tomahawks as decoys it might be wise to stage (In offset Salvo orders) the delivery of the Land Strike (Say a set of 8 then 4) in front of a set of 12 Anti-Ship. Then Repeat to scale as necessary to saturate The Game AI treats the Airborne missiles the same so long as they are on track directly towards a valid ship. Anything off by more than 3-5 degree's of matched course will be seen as either spoofed/Jammed/failed and treated as a secondary target if there are others that do match the proper criteria. The same logic also applies to ships running anti-air ops for a fleet.

Questions. so lets just say one of the land based Toms did hit a ship. It wouldn't do anything? Why cant it track a ship, doesn't it still have some guidance capabilities?

lotta frame dips here. game seems super unstable compared to dcs

Excellent attempt Cap...

I know it's probably a lot to manage ' but I would recommend adjusting your aim point for the land attack (as you've already pointed out) to intercept the enemy fleet based on that fleets course and speed ---

But also to fire the naval and land attack missiles together - so start with the nearer enemy screening ship - Fire the land attack at its intercept point - then fire the naval missiles at that target. Then move to the next screening ship, fire land then naval, and so on - so that your decoys are slightly ahead of your naval missiles, but interspersed throughout the entire strike???

You may have covered it in the past, prior to my subscribing to your channel. However, barring that, I would be very keen to see some scenarios with the JMSDF and/or the ROK Navy. Both Japan and South Korea have large, capable, and quite advanced navies and I am curious as to how that would play out. Perhaps versus the Russians and/or the Chinese PLAN.

Wait wdym mean who in power qt this point?

can't for the life of me make this mod work

Damn that was awesome. How much i love the Russian ships, but fluff me if you add a ticonderoga VLS or 2 as an escort then you will start getting a tad silly in terms of fire power... ... but goes to show what if Iowa got the VLS... and what of the Zumwalt class getting more longer strike capabilities with hypersonic weapons or even just longer ranged cruise missiles...

Interesting tactic using land variant tomahawks as decoys. You're right that it'd be prohibitively expensive, but I think that if they were faced with a "the missiles must get through" situation, an enterprising captain might at least consider the tactic. Plus if you think about it, if you don't sink the enemy fleet and they get your ships, those land tomahawks are gonna be sitting in their tubes at the bottom of the ocean anyways.

Does the vls Montana class battle ship have more or the same amount of missiles as the vls Iowa? She would have been bigger so theoretically would have had more vls, c wiz then an Iowa. Not sure about the model you have. If so possibly a final video in this series.

to anyone in the know; does Sea Power modding actually allow for new ship models, or nah? Because I don't think the Arleigh Burke would've made it into the base game, but I also heard that some mods (thinking of the Royal Navy and RAN ship stuff) are straight up unable to add their unique models and use US ones?

If a land attack tomahawk just happens to be fired at a perfect bearing to hit a ship, and that ship happens to be tall enough that the tomahawk would hit it....

Will that tomahawk actually hit the ship? Or would the terrain following feature of the land attack variant steer the missile away from the ship?

Interesting idea (probably difficult or not possible to do yet) Take famous/infamous naval battles and play as the defeated side. Can you develop a strategy in which you either win or don't fully lose.

Actually, the TLAM-Cs wouldn't be able to fire. So that part of this battle is unrealistic.

Why slava has belgian flag?

Regarding the VLS, I do think Cap is right in saying that they would have been higher up. Also, the amount of VLS that the modder gave the Iowa is wayyy off, though the positions are correct. The only plans I've ever seen called for 96 cells (2 32-cell modules in the aft positions and 2 16-cell modules in the forward positions. Also, the forwardmost 5-inch turrets in either side were due to be replaced with 8-cell Mk. 26 box launchers for Sea Sparrow like on the Nimitz class, and the remaining 5"/38 turrets would have been replaced by twin 5"/54 turrets, as the Navy still had the plans for the turrets from the Montana class, and the rest of the 5-inch guns in the fleet were 5"/54 at that time. This would leave the hypothetical Iowa with 9 16"/50s (3x3), 8 5"/54 (4x2), 96 Mk. 41 VLS (2x32 and 2x16), 16 Sea Sparrows (2x8), 16 Harpoons (4x4) and CIWS.

At the end

Iowa: You...did well kid.....

Burke: Sir! Are you alright??

Iowa: I.....fine....I'm a Battle....ship. I was.....designed...to take...hits.....

Burke: Support's en route! We'll tow you back to port!

Iowa: No.......Get...out of here....

Burke: But-

Iowa: ....I'll.....distract the Soviet....subs.....Protect...carrier group......

Burke: ...... I cannot leave you behind sir. I won't do it.

Iowa: It's...... an order.....son.....Go... always preferred.....going out gun blazing......

Burke: It is a great honor to fight by your side sir.

Iowa: Silent acknowledgement

Im pretty sure most men loves escorts 😂🎉

According to the Command Modern Operations Database, you'd need about 48 missiles to overwhelm a Kirov, 40 for a Slava, and 16 each for the Sovremenny and Udaloy destroyers. So you're looking at about 150+ missiles to overwhelm the defences of this fleet, assuming the CMO numbers are somewhat accurate.

This is assuming the FC radars are on and the crew is alert, unlike what can happen IRL. Honestly I think IRL crews would get overwhelmed with the number of missiles incoming and mistakes would be made.

This also incidentally makes flights of B-1 bombers or B-52 bombers extremely scary, given the payloads they can carry. And they can get around much faster than ships, and generally can't be shot back at given the ranges at play with modern standoff munitions.

The modders are going to have their work cut out for them when they inevitably start trying to mod in 21st century chinese vessels.

1990s US CSG vs 1990s Russian CSG?
Probably need to wait for the newer Russian assets though :(

Why confront 10 with 2? What commander would do that? You would hold off for more support surely? Entertaining video. Thank you.

Love your show cap. The next collection of battle ships vs carrier, can you let battle ships all run at flank speed. Not limit them to slowest speed. That way, the front ones will draw the fire, letting slower ones to get into gun range.

Um how do i make ai fight like in your video

You use the Iowa a lot. USs New Jersey is more decorated ship in Iowa class and bit longer then her sister ships

@grim reapers i updated the mod again with different missile layout, chaff+noisemakers and Seahawk

Two of many things I enjoy about your content: 1. No scripting for crowd pleasing click bait (maybe another channel where you do this?) 2. You actually read and respond to the valued viewingtons.

The Ukrainians showed us that modern Russian sailors aren't exactly experts at damage control. Was that true back in the 90s? How would that change the damage models of Russian vs American ships?

Cap I just read that russia has mostly completed the modernizing to the other Kirov battle cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. Apparenty they turned the nuclear reactors back on and it should be back in service in 2026.

LOL "If you look closely, you should see 150 tomahawks.."

What an amazing video on a cool topic. Too bad that Steve power always jacks up the numbers of the Soviets/Russian ships. Granted, if they use the real stats and poor training of the naval personnel, it wouldn’t be nearly as challenging or fair a game.

Looking forward to seeing you do the Falklands sea battles once you get the proper assets in game. Watching your Falklands series on DCS was an amazing highlight for me.

one of the proposals did require a new structure to be built for the VLS cells, but that was not the only proposal
at least one proposal had the one or two 5' turrets removed and replaced by VLS cells

Try adding one VLS Ticonderoga. Not sure the game models it yet, but a Ticonderoga can take control of the fleet’s entire air defense. Additionally I would like to see a US surface action group take on a Soviet surface action group. US would probably include one cruiser or Arliegh Burke, and a couple of Improved Spruance DD’s and an additional couple of ASW platforms.

silly question that you probably answered: why not target the decoy missiles at the ships? may not by anti ship, but a missile is still a missile

Grim. Does Sea power run better or worse than DCS for these sim battles. Have you looked at upgrading your PC at all. Perhaps waiting on the 9950X3D and 5090.

I'd like to see you build an Iowa like the New Jersey was suggested to be reconfigured during refit in the 90's. They would remove the third turret and make it entirely VLS.

Much more realistic from fleet perspective. As in many naval battles both sides ran out of missiles. Both sides would likely withdraw.

can you do a Soviet landing force vs Norwegian navy/cost guard batte like a sim of a Soviet invasion where the American/Nato support hasn't arrived yet?

If the ship captain and task group commander, etc., up the chain figured that they would be involved in sea combat, the Iowa could have been loaded with more (or all) TASMs instead of TLAMs. (Though you did lay out a scenario in which, it seems, the commanders wouldn't have known what might happen.)

I'm really on the fence about purchasing this game. I'm not sure it would be more entertaining to play than watching Cap.

David Weber's Honor Harrington series is famous for missile salvos so massive they blot out the sun. I think this is coming close,

you mentioned they wouldn't do it because it was to expensive... but if the risk is to lose the whole ship with unused missiles I'm guess any commander would go all out anyway since they stand to lose everything anyway.

They generally do load only anti-ship ordnance: any land attack weaponry is boarded upon mission specification.

Wouldn't the B and C have different radars/seekers to differentiate them?