Flow® Mastering Suite Walkthrough – Softube

So it provides different softube plugin preset chains ?

Why do I have to pay full price if I already own all the plugins?

Cool!

Subscription only?

I think not being able to control the Flow Mastering plug-in with Console 1 was a HUGE miss.

Interesting so now Softube is trying to undermine their own customer base as well.. . Can all the Devs just stop to pretend like "everybody can do anything with no effort" style approach to marketing, especially when they try to sell you the same sh you already bought, AGAIN, AND as a subscription.

Fantastic work, as always guys. But as much as I want to embrace this, going down the route of Subscription models is a challenge to many people, and I know from many forums for other software companies that many users are very unhappy with such systems. Are you considering any alternative to a subscription. I can't quite work it out in all the promotion.

So, just to clarify: If you own all the plugins, to use "Flow" you need to start a trial, enter your payment details, and then cancel the subscription right before the trial ends. This way, you'll have access to "Flow" for free, since you already own the plugins. Therefore, even if you cancel your Flow subscription, you can still use that specific Flow within the Flow,plugin because you permanently own those plugins. 🤔

I was ready to purchase and then I saw the monthly charge?… I got all these plugins already, why I need to pay the monthly fee? Cool concept but I guess I’ll pass, thanks for sharing!

Is this another Waves debacle!?

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This is a miss, Softube

Is it possible to create your own flow presets, using only the Softube plugins you own?

You realize how CPU intensive these mastering plugins are? Even on fast hardware, I can count to 5 when switching presets. Ableton Live thinks the plug is not responding after 3-4 seconds and closes it after each present change. I own all but 2 plugins already, so I'll see how I like these "flows."

Seems like a bad idea to apply some preset eq and settings via a macro without consideration of the song, no AI or anything? Just mapped controls that add or remove eq in certain bands or other settings? I don’t think that will help anyone get a better result? The tool looks nice otherwise.

FINALLY a mastering suite without stupid AI and including both easy macros and real tools with full controls. Also... everyone complaints about subscription, but I find the credit thing pretty clever... and the tutorial tooltips are fantastic

a comparison between ozone would be nice 😅

Very cool but sad Softube is calling this "mastering." Mastering is much more than just 2 buss processing.

No way i will add another subscrition model.I will skip anythingwith subscription.

Eh yall buggin with that subscription sh*t

Can the points obtained after subscription participate in discount activities to purchase plugins at the same price?

There is no Chinese UnionPay card option for payment

The subscribe to own model is kinda cool, but I am just tired of everyone asking me to subscribe. Put a fixed “own forever” price as well, and I am in. The way the pricing is set now, I’d rather buy a Weiss complete bundle for 423 EUR, own it forever and be able to master anything with it (there really isn’t much you cannot do with it) and it is Console 1 ready.

Softube T-Racks?

Hi!

Hey Softube, if you gonna start a Summer Sale soon, please don't forget to put your Clipper on sale! Thanks.

I hope this not another Waves con job.

A random master engineer plugin to tweak my art to copy paste a plastic sound. No wonder music is…….. 🤦🏽‍♂️

Hello Softube, here is some feedback about my main thoughts when it comes to this plugin:

1. The marketing model isn't good from a customers perspective. It's not transparent enough on first sight.
2. There needs to be an option to create your own flows (with macros and everything). This is a need, not a nice to have.
3. One needs to be able to control flow with console 1. People who bought into your eco-system feel fooled without that option.

I believe it would have been best to sell the Flow-wrapper with the presets seperately as well. You can still offer the rent-to-own subsciption model to use certain flows (in case you don't own all the plugins), but people like to own things. So let them own the wrapper straight-up - whether it's a free download or a cheap plugin is not all that important.

PS: I have read your answers to other comments and while I get that the idea is to have "professional" flows, some of your customers are professionals too and would like to input their own flows - especially (but not exclusively) for a rough mix.

Why do you earn credits through the subscription? Why don't you just say how many months it takes to own it?

Where can we see a list of Flows? I mostly master film scores so I'm not into pop/edm flows.

Why the hell do I have to watch ads before watching an ad?

Horrible Examples. This sounds awful !

Ok I just do NOT get it.
I'll be straight with you as I love you Softube and have been a customer since your very first plugin. I have most of these plugins individually. Why would I pay 15 USD, 25 AUD a month for this to have access to the same plugins - for a few macro shortcuts, seriously?
Also, you said gain matching is possible but didn't let us listen to a single example of that? It felt like cheating, you showed us only louder than source example, therefore of COURSE every "processed" example sounded better LOL.

Rather than subscribe to this, I still advise others to buy individual plugins when on sale and own them for life.

Apparently the latency is terrible too and makes for very cumbersome real time tweaking. I mean low latency mode obviously has massive sonic compromises not discussed in the video, otherwise there would only BE a low latency mode.

Edit, OK, now that makes a BIG difference - if you own the plugins you don't pay, and you can earn with monthly sub, credits to buy the ones you don't have. Suddenly, it is making sense!

Edit 2, I take that back. I just checked the credit store, it takes THREE YEARS just to get ONE of the premium Weiss plugins. One. I'll be dead by the time I have subscribed long enough to get the missing plugins I don't have. AND, all these audio demos on the Softube FLOW info page, and not one single gain matched example, so all we are hearing is louder = better. That in itself, that you didn't realise how CRUCIAL it was for us to hear examples of gain matched A/B, to hear what the plugins are truly doing to our source material, is just mind boggling to me. There is nothing more important. Nothing. If I sign up for a demo, I guess I'll have to cancel as it will auto subscribe, so will give it a miss until I hear some gain matched examples to know for sure that these "flows" are impacting the material in a positive way.

Edit 3 - OOPS, my math was off. It is 18.5 months to get the most expensive Weiss plugin, and I thought I had a lot of these as I have like 40 Softube plugins but I only have 4 of these. It will still take me MANY years to get them all, so I just don't know. For 60 credits a month as a "brand new product launch" incentive, I would probably jump on it, or if they had "credit sales" i.e. plugin sales at a discounted credit rate from time to time.

I have these plugins and get a much better sound that the shrill noise you have here

It seems I may be the lone commenter here that appreciates a subscription to own model to access all the expensive, well made, tried and true Softube emulations as opposed to shelling out thousands in one lump sum to practice my mixing craft.

Izotope 9 got me once for a few thousand. Never again. Thanks guys!

Unsure if anyone here has successfully dragged this into their stereo buss on CUBASE or NUENDO yet ?? ** Every review and tutorial seems to skip the step of loading this program into a DAW. Every YT vid shows the thing all up and running...... frustrated! The free trial upload is a mess as to where it goes from " Softube Central" . Has anyone loaded this thing from your program files? Thanks in advance!