Dream Paragon VS Grand Empress Shek'zeer 10 Heroic

He uses (I think) shadow unit frame, tellmewhen; bartender; and grid for his UI .

10 man requires more individual skill then 25 man, so how is 10 man casual?

Only fools say things like this. Let's take a look at this fight. 25 man, you have less room to be at range of others, AND the biggest thing. 25 mans require MORE DPS PER PLAYER than 10's do. Not to mention you have a higher average ilvl in tens. There's a reason people break down into tens when they're stuck on a boss sometimes. Because it's easier.

25 mans require more dps per player because you have more cooldowns such as banner stormlash etc and it's balanced around having every single buff (not always possible in 10 man depending on who can't show etc). Also lol @ you thinking 10 mans have higher average ilvl... 25 mans get more loot per player then 10 and are geared far faster. Often 25 mans break down to 10 man because they are held back by 5-6 noobs.

Yo dawg I heard you like Paragons

More dps per player equals more output needed per player. 10's just aren't on par with 25's in difficulty. Not to mention having to stay at range of other people as many encounters need. You must be new to raiding if you think 10's have an average lower ilvl. Less people=less of a chance of people still running around in previous tier or blues. More loot per player means little.

There's a reason why 10's aren't taken as seriously.

Nice rebuttal.

The music in this one's Fantastic!!

haha even people in paragon get fucking gold .. :(

nek si mu reko :D

You have no clue what you're talking about.

You may not want to accept it, but it's the truth.

10ner is way more harde i play 25er hab 16/16 hc this is way easier than 10ner hc.

No I'm sorry I've raided raided both 25-10 heroic content. Still raiding atm, progressing on heroic Empress. In 10man on progression if u lose a healer or dps early on it's pretty much a wipe, 25 man this not the case. It's split quite evenly as was proven in Cata depending on the fight. Eg. Heroic Lei Shi 25 is MUCH easier than 10man, same for Windlord and a few others. Where 25 man gets harder is organizing raiders, and encounters with a more confined space that requires alot of movement.

I have raided 10 and 25 H in the top heroic progression guilds and can easily say 25man is the harder version. How ever, 10 man raids are still hard, but in my opinion should not be given world first over 25 mans seeing that if the same raiders from a 25man H guild were doing a 10 man they would do it much faster, that is all.

Sorry for what? You seem to share the same understanding I do.

If that's true then how come paragon is the only guild who gets overall world 20 or something kills. Usually it's paragon followed by 15-20 25 man guilds.

Paragon actually wrote an artical about how much easier 10 m is that 25 m and I would like to point out up until mop they were a 25 m guild.

They did away with that for a reason. It forced 25man progression guilds to raid 10man, and it made recruiting harder for because the 25man loot was significantly better than 10man.

Is this the same world top raiding guild that run several raid teams to gear up different alts, and are then able to switch around thier comp to make encounters more doable? This is the reason why 10man is harder on some encounters, it's a split since the start of Cata, & was common knowledge that 10man was harder in T11. Not every guild has the luxury to be able to run another alt team to do what these guilds do. 25man teams had the advantage of always having enough interupts, buffs, cc etc.

@RebirthWoWGuild yo dawg I heard you like paragons so I put a paragon in your paragon.

What is his action bar add on called??

Dream Paragon is amazing. They do not rave about world firsts like other guilds we know (Blood Legion, etc.). I really love you Paragon!! Keep up the great work! And get them world firsts in 5.2!!! GL!!

I wanna make a better explanation for you. Blizzard nerfed 10 man mode of ToT cause Bosslife relation was not as planned 1/3 of 25 man version. So imagine you have a boss with 30m life in 10 mode it will have 90m in 25-mode right ? so in 10 mode you have 5 dd's to nuke 90m life that must be 15 in 25-man version right ? that means you have 8 healers. But you only need 6-7 that means 1-2 DPS FOR FREE! that players could hang around doing nothing to get 25 as hard as 10-mode

That moment, when you have to heal, and got no mana left.

i agree with you in the points that the fights are still the same length and have the same things, however, with 25 man, you also have to look out for things such as gearing up, and placements around the room. there are fights where if you stand a certain distance away from other people you could kill and wipe the raid. when in 10 man there is a lot more area to move around in and work with. so 25 man is still fairly tough

Thats correct. I said this too. But its not okay to say that 25 ist harder than 10 man and 25-man-versions are the "real" progress. Its both completely different and every version has its harder part (do you say it this way in english ?). So its hard difference between them. I think blizzard should get greater plattforms and harder 25 bosses so it would be more balance between the two modes.

visions of demise, 10 players vs vision of demise, 25 players. Enough said. Move along.

so true!

nice song

25 and 10man are not comparable whatsoever, both are completely different breeds.

he didnt say its more challenging

Can someone tell me the name of the first song please?

Lost in Las Vegas - Two Steps From Hell

Fucking epic music

Have you heard Shek'zeer's voice? Its worse than Sindragosa and Sinestra! They spared everyones ears on this one (=

dat gold from bonus

i come here for the music nowadays :D Great choice!

that is completely wrong. Blood legion got WF 25 Empress, Method got WF 25 Will and Sha, Paragon got all 3 WF 10 man.

Fantastic music

Was Lappe Resto spec or could Boomkin spec heal that well in MoP?

u guys will be missed, im sad :'(

Dear Paragon, please return to the raiding scene. The game needs you. Badly.

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The person responsible for editing these videos deserves a freaking reward. I am re-watching many of your videos multiple times a month just for the insane editing and the incredible music. Pure perfection.

Illusion.

still watch this now and then... love it.