Medieval Armor VS Modern Military Gear #fantasy #dnd #medieval #dejatwo

The reason don't use plate armor anymore, isn't because it's "to heavy" but simply because steel plate isn't really that great at stopping bullets, the armor would need to be ridiculously thick to stop a bullet and that would simply be extremely impractical

There's a reason we shifted away from steel plate armor when powerful projectile weaponry was invented

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I agree with everything except the full speed and the combat rolls

Back then they also didn't have bullets

Are we just forgetting that a huge part of that weight is what a modern infantryman carries? Comms, ammunition, food, etc, while the knight kinda just wears his armour and thats it.

Heavy metal suit🤘

Whats the weight of modern soldier armor vest ? This guy talk about backbags its not like soldiers gonna do combat with backbags and shit you can look at ukraine

It is a trade-off. Armour can make you overheat. Running sharp corners in armour is hard. The weight will tire you out over time. Also, some parts need to fit well. But in return half the attacks do not do anything to you and you can survive most of the rest.

Exactly. The reason we don't "wear heavy metal suits anymore", is because we transitioned into a type of warfare where your full plate armour is easily penetrated by firearms. It went out of use because it was no longer effective - not because it weighed too much.

The reason we dont wear metal armor anymore: we do its called a bullet proof vest / plate carrier.

It’s almost like it was made for humans to protect themselves from swords and such. Not shotguns.

An actual soldier gear is heavier than an full plate armor, the only reasonwe don't use armor anymore is GUNS thats all

You dont fight with the pack on your fighting load is is average 35
Yes you can roll in modern equipment. That pack weight is for getting into the AO and sustaining yourself. Its like making a knight fight with his full forced march load

The reason we don't wear heavy metal suits anymore because 5.56 NATO punches right through it

It's not all on the back the backpack distributes the weight across the body. But if you are to look at just the armour modern military gear weighs 8-20kg excluding everything else, but considering that modern military kits are designed for soldiers to sortof just live in. While knights plate armour was made for 1 fight they weren't spending multiple days travelling in a full suit on foot while carrying everything they need to survive. But also the original comment is wrong, the reason we don't wear full plate is because of a few reasons. 1 it is very hard to effectively shoulder and fire a rifle as well as carry rigs etc, 2 if you get shot by 90% of the rounds used by modern soldiers the plate will splinter and inflict multiple wounds onto the wearer while modern plates have things like backface deformation and can shatter they will either punch you very hard or spread our the impact across the body (depending on plate mat)

Why are people dying on this hill so hard instead of judt Googling 1 question.

Wrong. Armor limited the ability to scratch your ass. That is why we stopped using it.

also the shift in warfare tactics increasing the value of supplies and communications to be far more than some measly armor. A bullet being deflected off the shoulderguard is less worth it than just taking the shot in your arm for that sweet sweet food, water, ammunition, radio, and survival gear invthat backpack.

In our current day warfare, the supply chains and communications to the frontline has far more impact on the outcome of the battle than the actual equipment quality of the soldiers. It has become a war of attrition in most cases, where the downtime is spent just annoying the enemy with threat to wear down their resources and make them weaker.

I find that a lot of people dont understand how WEIGHT works. As an example, my buddy is working on a TTRPG system, and the races he made went through a few weight changes(at my recommendation) because he had 6ft average height beings that weighed 350 lbs on average, among other bigger and heavier races. I've found that most people just kind of assume how much stuff weighs and WAY overshoot the actual weight, so when they see medieval armor they end up thinking it weighs like hundreds of pounds(idk how they come to that conclusion, but I've seen em do it)

So we're comparing a knight's suit of armor to a soldier carrying all their equipment. If you compare just modern body armor to plate armor its significantly lighter and more mobile. But when you throw a backpack with 20-30 pounds of gear on top yeah youre less mobile.

Do people forget about firefighters? 😂 Their equipment is notoriously heavy but they do just fine lol. You don't pick up an average nobody and throw him into armor either. If you were fighting in 50-60lbs, you probably practiced for that 😂

Yeah, okay, but that 50 pound armor doesn't include a gun, a flashlight, binoculars, a GPS navigatior and a compass, a radio, a first aid kit, some grenades, water, possibly food...

Modern "horse" armor weight around 20ton

I mean tank btw

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The main reason it was de popularised was.
You guess it, guns.
They could still kill a man in full plate armour.
So, at that point, no armour or little padding was the best.

That's why we see people in the civil wars and everything in that time period they wore uniforms.

But bow that we have advanced to create bullet-proof vests and such they have become the go to.

Fair argument, but with a modern day military, if I get into a firefight where I need to move quick, I’m not going to have my ruck with me, probably a patrol pack. My ruck would most likely be back at the FOB

We don't wear fully heavy plates anymore because they don't stop bullets, that's the reason.

The reason knights went out of style is they’re inherently venerable to peasant pikemen because there pikes can be far longer than any lance so a charge on a well formed pike square was almost certainly suicide and with gun powder they can up with anti pike tactics such as one where you would hit and run a pike formation with a pistol or move in in a circle and fire your pistol at it but by combing pikemen and arqubusiers like a Spanish Terico the arqubusiers by themselves were venerable to cavalry charges you could beat Calvary no matter what the tactic if they attempted to hit and run with pistols the arqubusiers could kill them if they attempted a charge the arqubusiers would simply retreat to the pike square no matter the tactics cavalry fails by itself and you could win if you use field cannons to punch holes in the pike formation but it’s cheaper and easier to just copy and use pikemen and arqubusiers

SHow me your knight armor vs a 7.62

I know this post is old but speaking in just pure combat terms such as a raid vs a small skirmish modern militaries also go very light. Just need a AK some sandals and a deity and you can deter the greatest militaries on the planet for years

u gonna wear that in todays war?☠️☠️

this is silly
where does he strap his water food rations extra clothing and sleeping bag, weapon cleaning tools and medical equipment
modern armor consisting of ceramic plates and helmet are incredibly light compared to a full plate armor

Yeah but what is that gonna do against a bullet?

They can run and sprint at full speed and we can shoot at full auto

> Kevlar suit exists, and it works kinda like gambeson but not as cumbersome.
> Modern body armor also needs some kind of plate thick enough for torso protection against rifle bullets. A thin of full torso plate armor couldn't stop a bullet, sure, but a thick plate in front of your torso, behind some layers of kevlar, surely can.

It's as if the battle suit concept (gambeson and metal plate) was never completely gone, but it was indeed adjusted for modern combat setting. Even in the early days of guns, people still used a full torso plate armor, along with gambeson. This would work until when "small arms" technology could defeat a thin full torso plate armor, which is why it was phased out until the advent of kevlar suit. After the military realized that you can shove a thick enough bulletproof plate inside of a kevlar vest to increase the level of protection, they all went in it.

Some could argue that it is possible to reintroduce a more effective battle armor with bulletproof face mask, bulletproof shoulder plates, metal skirt armor, bulletproof shin armors, bulletproof arm gauntlets, etc. kinda like the "tactical samurai armor", but we know that it's gonna be less cost-effective because it's gonna be way more expensive to make such a thing than the current modern battle armor.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight💀😭

Bruh my full armor in the marine Corp was more then that

Knight armour should be a term we should refine a bit
For the longest time knights wore full maille and wore coats of plate more and more as decades progressed and maille met more determined resistance by archers and crossbow engineers as well as even swords starting to do something on maille ( entire blades started tapering so a thinner point was achieved )
Firearms were very good on maille but probably not under the spotlight or nose of armourors until the 1320s or so
Knights needed leg armour more than men at arms who were less likely to have a horse
Could be arm guards and plate wristed mittens were used more by men at arms and knights used plate more as experimentation with plate begun
Once you won against someone it didnt take the internet for plate armour designs to be spread and reproduced by armourors
Crossbows reacted by getting heavier by the 1310s or smth, getting to around 900-1250lb and having around 1.5x the kenetic energy whilst already being stuppy, they could poke little holes in mid - high quality mild steel cuirasses cracking hardened steel, could hit the arms pretty hard where it was 0.5-1.5 mm possibly drawing blood if mild steel square on

By the time muskets improved to make armour concerntrated and quenched nobles and knights were less common a sight in military matters so less could afford 3/4 plate besides successful mercenaries

Guns wins, EASY 😂

You could probably play like a naked in Elden Ring while in that armor

The weight is pretty much the same for the armor and gear itself BEFORE ammo. No idea how much this weighs, but it sure isn't light. However, the heavy ruck (ranging from 35 to 100+ lbs, especially if you're a mortarman—I always feel sorry for the Chucks) is usually shed in a predetermined centralized location before conducting planned combat operations. Light infantry will still conduct tactical movements with rucks (movement from point A to point B) but if they encounter fire, they will drop the rucks to engage. They may even use the rucks as cover or as a supplement to existing cover/concealment (more concealment than cover). Mounted or motorized/mechanized infantry will usually store their rucks on or in their vehicles. Usually, for the duration of specific tasks such as patrols, an assault pack (a book bag sized backpack) is used to carry items such as 24-72 hours worth of supplies (ammo, water, food) and other mission-essential equipment that doesn't need to be carried on the kit itself.

TLDR: The weight of modern kit is about the same as the armor of a medieval knight before the addition of ammunition. Further weight is added with the rucksack and assault pack. Long walks, heavy bags. SOPs vary. I am speaking in generalities drawn from doctrine and experience.

I hate how movies have made us think this way. It's all about purpose. Modern military gear is designed to A) carry all our additional bits and bobs such as ammo and first aid as the Frontline moves quickly and B) to protect the most likely most vital organs as. Much of modern warfare is carried out at a distance and most weapons are specific to do just enough to cleanly kill or incapacitate your enemy with out undue pain and suffering (in general), a 5.56 through the leg is usually pretty survivable and honestly doesn't mess your leg up that bad. whereas and axe to the leg is more likely to require extensive reconstructive surgery and full use of the limb is not guaranteed....in the time of full plate, you could still die from sepsis if the surgery works. Close up melee where any part of your body is the target while still needing excellent Mobility? plate armor. long range gunfighting with tiny projectiles, protect the most vital bits with thick asf material. We still have different purpose built armor today, think about EOD. Also full plate would suck today against firearms because of spalling even if it stops the round. Whereas even a warbow ain't getting through lvl 4 plates.

No, the reason why we don't put on heavy metal suits anymore is because modern bullets will fly right through them.

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My armour weighed around 55 lbs and I had a guy curious how fast someone in armour could run so with the guy following in his car. I ran 400 m and he said I was running at 20 km/h. I was not a super athlete or even an athlete for that matter. I had an office job.

It's not because of the weight of knight armor it's because of the introduction of gunpowder weaponry and the modern ballistic vest dispersed kinetic energy reader stopping the projectile and besides they don't fight like knights they fight in long range distance's

Soldiers can run full sprint as well

But can it stop glock?

However, medieval armor does sh!t against bullets, grenades, arrows, tanks, missiles, canons, etc. while modern armor can do something against. Bullets, arrows, a bit about grenades if it’s just shrapnel, and the rest you’re dead either way

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We call it 80 lbs of shit in a 10 lb sack lol