The Arcane Viktor Incident

Making Arcane Canon was completely stupid, as well as changing his base model.

You also mentioned that but his abilities are now extremely unfitting to his new charakter and backstory. At least we still have the Victor in Legends of Runeterra.

If they don't want to change back Viktor, they should make a new Machine Harold that suits his old machine aesthetic. His kit being the same is a massive drawback so they cant just make a new champion or parallel Machine Viktor that embodies his old design since u cant just have 2 of the same kits in the game.

Turns out, actual fans of the video game who aren't posers and shills don't like the +rannycane Viktor.

Yes the third arm makes no fucking sense. And I honestly think the play rate will drop below where it was originally. Plus the kit makes no sense. You never see him do any of those things in the series. But also idk what they could have done? Turned him into Azir? Lol

I don't get it, they should just make that viktor skin like a special skin. Same with like arcane cait skin and such
That way it fits with the arcane skin line.

My major problem with this rework is that they lost the premise of Viktor. He was supposed to be a robot/cyborg and now he's just another mage. Imagine if they reworked Syndra or Ahri into cyborg.

Ima be honest, I much prefer new victor and I do feel like people are blowing this way out of proportion

AS a 7 year viktor main. All they had to do was make a skin. Hell if they wanted to keep this thing, just make his old model/vo a skin for free.

I litterally started playing Viktor because of the update...

The biggest annoyance for me with the new model is the hair. Why is it sticking out and upward? Looks nothing like how he was in Arcane.

The lore for Arcane should had been an elseworld story.

I think he's better off now than before. Viktor is rank 1 winrate in ARAM for the past 2 weeks (idc about SR). He's very strong, I'm getting triples-pentas much more often than I did with his old kit. Surely he will have to be nerfed, because he is able to just be an absolute predator right now. His Q, W and R are better than old kit in both stats and effects, E has mana cost reduced. For the lore, Viktor could have just made blitz when he was a human, idk why anything has changed there. Just because they didn't show him making blitz in the Arcane doesn't mean he never made blitz. A negative is that his evolution takes a bit longer because R now requires another set of fragments, and takedowns grant 5 less hex fragments, but large minion and monster fragments are increased by 5. Another negative is that the skins are worse now. I think the positives from these changes outweigh the negatives.

the error was asking Viktor mains to vote for the rework, they should instead ask None victor mains to vote for the rework

think it's gonna take some time to grow into viktor's rework as they build up new lore and introduce new skins

They downgraded his skins and didn't even get new abilities. Riot just seems lazy.

blitz new lore pretty much says viktor build him in the timeskip we had from s1 ep3 to ep4
so when hextech took off
it could not have happened anywhere else
and even then it barely makes sense... its rly rly bad

thats not viktor its fkin VINCENT NOW

thanks from /r/viktormains for the video. Though I disagree I think Viktoria's base model skin looks ass.

honestly money move for riot, give us classic viktor reworked as a legendary skin called Machine Herald Viktor...... Then at least we can have a piece of our boy back.

making arcane lore canon in general feels like a random decision, since the last season seems like and attempt to finish the show asap without thinking the lore through. arcane viktor is cool in concept, but it falls behind the og viktor so much, again because all his arc seems a bit rushed and a bit too cosmic?
like og viktor was just a dude, very smart, good engineer, but human. and he was suffering in a very human way, which led him to the path of augmentation.
and viktor as arcane herald... we'll he's a creature now? ok. and he evolves those willing and unwilling and his followers turn into literal puppets. there's no depth and nuance to him on a large scale. he's just a super villian in the most boring and comic way.

I've said it everywhere but my main problem is these 3 things:
1. If you are going to make him Arcane Viktor, go all the way and delete his old kit to make him a mage first and foremost. Why the fuck is he still technology based kit-wise.
2. If you are going to keep his kit, you can't have him go full alien arcane mage mode. Just update his old model and skins to be modernized and specify that this Viktor and Arcane Viktor are different beasts. You know, like how every other champion in the game besides Ambessa is.
3. If you really, REALLY had to make new Viktor a balance between old and Arcane in a weird hodgepodge amalgamation like you did, you should have at least made Full Machine Viktor and Prototype Viktor homages to Original League Viktor and his s1 of Arcane self respectfully and made them free skins to anyone who already owned him like a Volibear situation. I get that in other cases like Urgot and Aatrox where the character was deleted they didn't do this sort of thing, but Viktor is a very beloved champion for his lore prior and after Arcane and to a few non-lore or Arcane LoL players just for his concept and gameplay. If you were truly doing this to celebrate Arcane and entice new players to pick him up, this would have been the perfect opportunity to push some good will and provide 2 free skins just for picking up the champ.

This whole update feels bad specifically for the reason that it just does not feel planned out. It feels like something they came up with a month before S2 dropped because some higher up went "oh shit, we should probably promote our latest cash cow" and then made the dev team work over time and chuck out the best they could do without changing the kit because 3 people who claimed to be Viktor mains didn't want it to change. This feels very first draft unlike every other rework up to this point and it makes me seriously question where their "largest game budget in the history of video games" went if not back into the game and the devs. If they are sinking it into esports, that ship will not be afloat for much longer and they are going to seriously regret not investing into the narratives of their games for immediate returns instead of long term ones.

I basically agree with NickiBoi on almost everything. The new design is awesome but the league model kinda nuters a lot of what made the Arcane design so great but overall personally definitely an upgrade over the old Viktor. I'm really disappointed that his puppets from the show weren't implemented into gameplay at all. Seems like a no-brainer. Lastly controversial take I really like that Arcane is canon now. Yes it will be some time until all the lore is corrected to account for this but most of it will be really easy to tweak so that it fits. Most importantly tying such a masterpiece of a show to the in game universe will get more people to want to read up and learn about it which I see as a good thing.

Im not a league player but when I looked on the wiki after loving the show I discovered that viktor’s in game kit is BO-RING! Seems very unfun to use and kind of disjointed in terms of synergy. Like why have a hero like this with just 4 lackluster utility abilities. Seems to me like arcane took liberties because viktor was kind of abandoned by the devs and wasn’t developed much in terms of being a cohesive character and gameplay experience. The cyborg supremacy/recommendation was about as much as he had going for him.

Dude didn't do his research.

Before Arcane released, i already installed both lol and wild drift but never had a chance to play it but for me....i like it

I hate the new Viktor base model. The head doesn't look like the one from Arcane. The top of the forehead and hair is wrong. The color pallet is a complete flop. The only skin that looks good is the brand new one. His kit is still outdated, and honestly. He is only played a lot because his R is busted, and not because he is good.

Couldn't riot make a traditional skin for viktor as they did with lee sin, karma and trundle?

Holy crap

I get being mad over the old skin being nixxed, it has that old mmo vibe people are attached to, I get not liking the hex claw, it does feel tacked on to the new design, but the Arcane characters were so much better written than the LoL ones, Viktor has no consistency in old lore "I will make people's lives better by taking away their agency"

The Overpowered, could-end-the world mage archetype has already been an overused trope in league like Xerath, Syndra, Hwei. Heck, hwei already filled the twink op mage archetype too. You know the only transhumanist, machine-over-flesh archetype in lore? Me neither, Riot removed him.

they made anew kaisa skin in TFT is called MEL

Why… didnt they add blitzcrank in arcane anyways before Viktor and Jayce became fused n gods anyways. Like it woulda been NICE if we had one more scene of just the shit they made and blitzcrank was a throwaway that wasn’t finished, but when he became the herald he brought blitzcrank to ‘life’ as one of his minions in the fight and when him and Jayce vanished blitzcrank was an accidental remnant that was now living similar to how Warwick continued to exist after Viktor dropped his control. Just a strange thing to overlook considering how clean they had made season 1 but then made season 2 so.. disjointed? I feel like they needed another season to cook or more episodes to have on the side to fill it up and have it flow better so these things didn’t just get left tf out.

One important thing riot did: They secretly buffed his upgraded E and give it a slow. It doesn’t say in the rework, it doesn’t say in the ability tooltip.

As former Viktor Main. This just sucks, not only look Worst than Arcane Viktor, but Worst than The old Viktor. And also keeping The Kit that have 0 relation to Arcane is also terrible idea. They try to pull New players to spend on Viktor, and keep The Viktor players, but just manager to fail both goals. And all his skins are just a straight downgrade in every way. Except of course twink Jesus Yaoi-bait skin... His First Legendary after 13 year of release, and doesnt Even have his Main trait, The mechanic/Hextech part

This rework so obliviusly happened to bring in some poor arcane fans and try presure sell them the limited time legendary and a life long game addiction. Even when they inevedably bring him back, they can not do it in this form, because he is too danm powerfull to just exist. So we have a completly static caracter who existed for an episode and had like 10 lines in the entire series.

His W only need some adjustments or rework, don't change his overall kit

The problem with the lore part isn’t just Viktor’s side, but changing Hextech also changes Camille and Sera’s stories, as well as Piltover as a whole. Also with Ambessa meeting Singed, that would make it the first time Noxus met him, but the demon ravens that belong to Swain appear throughout Arcane, and he only got those powers after his coup, which was after the first Ionian invasion. That invasion and associated chemical weapon are vital to pretty much every Ionian champion and their stories. The rest of the regions are more self contained, but the Ionian invasion was an event that existed since the old old lore and also connected three entire regions together.

And they add ambressa who literally have no connection to the main game in the first she only got cannon cuz of the show

They should really just create a skin that comes free with Viktor that is his original Machine Herald look, modernized, and slimmed down to fit the new rig

making the old viktor into a skin mod is NOT a hard thing to do. you just had to have access to old viktor files

Tbh this vgu is horrible , you can feel the dr*g use in their studios

Good. Old Viktor was so mid. His design sucked for his character. He just looked like a dude in a suit, not a cyborg. The new Viktor looks otherworldly and magical, fitting his new lore.

while deleting his lore..... what lore? nothing wrong with the new viktor

Nah since the W slow buff the spell is really stong

Viktor all about evolution/progress, riot update him.
Player hate it because it is to smooth....bro that his whole philosophy. Sigh

I absolutely love Viktor's new design for how it looks in Arcane. It fit that story very well.
...but that's the thing, it fit ARCANE well. I enjoyed how it was a reinterpretation, not a replacement for LoL's playable version. And they Riot when and replaced it, the current canon or playstyle be forgotten. I would have been fine with it as a skin, but a full replacement just feels nonsensical.

"Viktor Viktor Viktor"- blitzcrank