Conversation with Maria da Piedade Ferreira, Elise Dann and students of Interior Design, Architecture and Urban Planning. We discussed the importance of human centred design, learning from the perspective and findings of Forensic Architecture. The conversation is the fifth of the IV Cycle of Conversations on Corporeal Architecture, a joint initiative from this channel, the Hochschule für Technik Stuttgart - HFT and ACE - ANFA Center for Education.