Canon R5 Mark II - Sensor Issues? Dynamic Range Loss? Does it matter?

I often do not give a duck about shadow detail. Reject HDR, embrace chiaroscuro.

great video. really useful and direct to the point!

Compare dynamic range r5 mark 2 to Nikon z8/z9. In every iso position z8/9 has lower dynamic range.

No my heart cant take this

Canon R5 Mark II batteries are out of stock already..... LP-E6P.. Amazon doesn't have them, BH doesn't have them and they are on Backorder on Canon's site... Pretty sad!!!

To understand "dual native iso" best, a technology Sony licensed from Aptina, read the paper on optimising inter-scene dynamic range Aptina provided. There's lots of misconceptions and misinformation on the technology

Tech nerd speculating😂😂😂

13 minute video and 8minutesbefore you even start to talk about useability. But....why are you spending so much effort talking about a third stop difference? If you are that bothered about noise, then all that time you have spent creating the image is wasted.

no click-bait comment.. xD

It does not matter because at studio or landscape (iso100 1/3 stop down from R5) you can control the light (lighting or AEB/Blend) and for wildlife /action you will always be at greater than iso600 where R5ii and R5 are the same performance. The only time you might notice is in very bright light with sun, when you really need to push the darks at ISO 100. And it's only 1/3 stop. Updated Adobe enhance (denoise) and tuned raw converters will offset the effect. Eg its in the rounding, and your usage nuances will overwhelm the gap.

You want see how a camera works take into the real world and make images with it. Then process the image as you normally would. Then make a 16x20 or larger print. Put it on a table under 5000 kelvin light. View it from the appropriate distance for it’s size. Let the image speak for the camera. Don’t waste your time looking at a file at 400%. No one looks at images under a magnifying glass. If you don’t see any noise at 100% you’re good.

You forgot to mention that dpreview was talking only about electronic shutter. But even in it Z9/8 has less dynamic range than r5/r5m2, z7, d850. It’s because of only electronic shutter with huge sensor speed. Why dpreview did not mention this? Why they did not compère dynamic range of r5m2 with z8? But canon r5m2 HAS mechanical shutter with no dynamic range decreasing but z8/z9 don’t. It’s fail for Nikon.

Failed when u say 30 MP with confidence for R1

It has the same sensor, but it’s radically different. That’s a contradiction.

The entire series of measurements only have academic value. In practice, this hardly plays a role. In bird photography, smaller objects - high ISO values due to the very fast shutter speeds - are offset by improved autofocus. I dare to doubt whether the R5II is really worse overall. The only point of criticism for me would be the readout speed of the sensor, I would at least have expected it to be on a par with the Z8, but as I said, I'm complaining at a high level.

Noise is a lack of information, right? 🧐

It really matters if you're a landscape photographer and I certainly wouldn't be buying this camera for landscape photography and I've made that really clear on several pages. This is a sports wildlife and general camera. It is not for landscape photographers. If you are a landscape photographer I would not be buying this camera especially when there are many better options available like the Z8 or GFX cameras which have far better dynamic range. It's really disappointing and I know there is a trade-off with frames per second and stat senses. You are going to lose dynamic range but maybe they should've made two models one for the landscape guys how many people are into landscape photography? there are lots who are in deeply in the cannon ecosystem yet they've been let down. Also the flip out screen is another turn off for landscape photography again I would argue they should make two models one with the flip and one with the tilt down screen and the one with the tilt down screen could have a normal sensor not the stacked sensor. And you don't need those frames per second to shoot sports. Honestly you could shoot sport with 10 frames a second we've been led into this hysteria that we need 25 frames a second to shoot sports. It's ridiculous. We do not a skilful photographer like myself used to shoot sports on film cameras and I was quite happy shooting sports and eight frames a second this is ridiculous. With all due respect people don't want to get into bracketing they don't they hate it. It's why I'm over at GFX shooting landscape photography because the dynamic range is amazing plus the image quality is far beyond anything that canon or Nikon can deliver but I just really feel they let the landscape Community down with this camera. THE FLIP out sideways screen SUCKS for landscapes photographers. I do think it's a great camera and sorry for my big long message but I do think it's a valid point for landscape photography and I'm purely talking about landscape. Nothing else you do lose detail even though you save it with. de noise

All bsi sensors needs to be shot above 800iso isn’t that common ?? 😂

Doesn’t back side illuminated sensor haves issue with dynamic range issues in stills, regardless of weather it’s canon or other manufacturers ?? 😂😂

Thank you for the video. The information you provide may be of use to someone. I’m looking forward to getting the R52 on Tuesday and I couldn’t care less about what you are talking about. Far too much info and you guys just seem to love talking about this kind of stuff.

I continue to say the Sony trolls made it popular to hate on canon.
Doesn’t matter what they do they will trash it.

The r3 was canons first back side illuminated stacked sensor not the r5ii.
The r3 doesn’t have any issues.
DP review take with a grain of salt what they say.

And don't leave humming behind

I canceled the 2 R5 mk2s I ordered 1 hour after launch about a week ago. The DPreview comparisons to the original R5 showed the mk2 has gone backwards in detail and iso. It didnt help that 4k60 and 4k120 use line skipping. Im now waiting on the A1 mk2 and a possible R1X if its real.

Well explained. Ha, you know no matter what, whenever there is a Canon release people start complaining about something. R5 2 is awesome.

Can a software update correct these issues?

Does the R1 have any issues?

I can buy either camera.

They say the same thing about the A9iii, which is true to an extent but for the A9iii’s use case, which is likely to be iso 800 and above, they are all the same.

So what you are saying is that you will have to know how to take pictures with the camera that you have.

You still don't have the camera, but talking a lot of things about it. Nice, very nice. Not. Get the camera, test it, see how it is and after that you can talk this or that. I am not mean, but I am really sick about people talking things for the sake to make a new video and gather views.

Other channels love to bring negativity on Canon. Certain reviewers and sites I stopped watching their reviews because of this. When they can find any bad to say, they will make the smallest thing into a big issue, but you wont see them blow things up about other brands smh. I like what you said in your video, it doesnt matter. Just go out and shoot. Thank you!!!

Good for you. A hater landed hard on Rob Adams, half of the Rob Adams/Venessa Joy (Canon Explorer of Light) team for saying it doesn’t matter, no one is going to notice. He then landed on me for pointing out Adams is a commercial videographer who has numerous corporate clients in addition to producing video for his wife’s wedding business.
By the way, on another issue, I noticed something strange with my R5 when shooting electronically at 20 FPS. I can scroll quickly through the shots on the back of my R5 and see distortion reshaping objects in the image. It isn’t that I moved the camera because how far can you move it in one second when using image stabilization and IBIS? I suspect I am seeing sensor shift from IBIS to stabilize the scene, or maybe both camera and lens stabilization, as the culprit.

If you compare the $4300 MSRP of the R5 II vs the $3000 price (B&H) for the R5 I, the R5 I value is much greater. The incremental improvements in the R5 II are almost exclusively for video, not stills, so if you're into video fine, go for it, spend the extra $1300. For primarily still shooters, the original R5 I is just as good, maybe better in terms of dynamic range and noise, according to DpReview

Your overall points are spot on. But, take a look at Photons to Photos for the DR tests. DPReview has historically been biased. On Photons to Photos, R5II beats the Nikon Z8 up to ISO 800, and the same thereafter.

Great insight!1

The focus on negativity against Canon is unbelievable in the community. This is obviously designed to harm the sales of the new models. To be clear there is zero “issue” with the Canon sensor as in engineering or design or technological issue. To put it simply, the performance of the R5m2 is way superior or in line with comparable and more expensive models by Sony and Nikon. This is the only message that should be in the title of the video. All of this is proven by Photons to Photos’ article on the topic, which obviously is not mentioned here although it was published way before the video date. This hostility against Canon only reinforces my 30 years old trust in the Canon brand.

Photons to photos has R5 Mark II dynamic range tests posted

Spot on - Totally explained the issue that isn't one. Thanks for this.

Very good explanation 👍👍

It is not really blazing fast but it is fast enough for general needs but not for fast moving cars, bikes or flying birds you'll still get the jello effect though much less than the original R5, it is 1/125 of a second in 14" bit UC RAW.

I don't understand why there are so many Canon haters in the vlogging world.

Enfin quelqu'un qui met de l'ordre dans tous ces commentaires de plage dynamique. J'ai déjà le Canon R5 et j'aurai le R5 mk2 mardi le 20 août, je serai en mesure de comparer sur le terrain. Car oui, c'est pas des cibles de test que je photographie mais bien des sujets en mouvement qui génère une émotion ! Combien de gens parle encore de la surchauffe du R5 quand celui-ci n'est plus un problème depuis l'ajout du firmware 1,6 le R5 originale avec tous les corrections de firmware est bien meilleur que lors de sa sortie en juillet 2020 mais ça pratiquement personne ne le mentionne et reste accrocher aux premiers commentaires de la surchauffe.

Switch to Mechanical Shutter to keep your dynamic range high.

Excellent detail. Still have the camera on order and good to know for when to use my Mark 1 and when to use my Mark II (When it arrives)