Pilot takeoff on Closed Runway / ATC Recording #aviation

ATC literally cleared them on 29 after he figured out it was closed his story changed

Procedures in this airport are crappy.

"If not off in 3 minutes..." made it a very confused message, "Hold at 2 9 and await clearance" would have prevented any such issues.

This sounds like a Fsx steam edition lobby where people are normal

I think ATC was clear, but I see the confusion of giving any clearance on a closed runway. Tell them to line up but not cleared, and give them the clear when you open the runway

Own your mistake you loser pilot

I don't like that ATC at all. Do not give clearance at a future time. Clear them when the runway is open. Not 5 minutes before and say wait for it.

This happened Tuesday June 25,2024. Runway 29 has been closed since april 21, between the hours of 10:30pm and 5:45am for runway repairs. There was a ground crew still on the runway when they started moving. Luckily, the ground crew were paying attention and moved off the runway.

Yo I work at this airport lol

PWM

"If not off in 3 minutes, advise boston.. also, it's closed for the next 3 minutes"

This is why a controller should never use the word "takeoff" unless they're actually issuing a takeoff clearance.

This is scary!!

What in the hell kind of clearance is this? What’s wrong with “lineup and wait?“ Then at the designated time when the runway is clear call “clear for takeoff.“

First of all, why would he ever put a plane on a closed runway I’m not a pilot. I’m a damn truck driver, but I’d like to know why air traffic controller was literally put a plane on the runway that’s already closed. That’s like saying go ahead and go on a highway that is closed.

That's why I have a bright ass light bar on my truck

"oh well, I'm in the air now b*tch .... Send the sky police to get me"

Ive never heard such weird atc instructions and Ive heard a lot.

Here's a thought... Don't clear a plane for take off when the runway is not clear for takeoff?

Good lord the ATC in the US is a disaster!!??

They can’t use the same time ?

SouthWORST airlines.

Commercial pilot for about 25 years. Never heard a so confusing clearance. Especially if your native language is not english.

Sounfs like word salad, what could possibly go wrong

Texas pilots..😂.French fried taters..mmmhmm

Southwest 4805:😁
KLM 4805:💀

Thats the towers mistake....... told him to take off in 3 minutes.....

Sounded more like ATC was pushing his windows to get airborne? Could have instructed hold short of 29 until cleared for TO!

What?!!!

sounds to me like he took off without a clearance no?

Its svary how many mistakes are made amd its all human error😮😮😮😮

ATC told him he could take of in 3 minutes but no later than 5 minutes. Pilot needed to listen better

How come Boston Center first gives him a departure clearance without mentioning the closed runway, but after departure suddenly knows exactly that there was a closed runway?

Good ATC ,sloppy pilot .

This is totally unacceptable... Lifes are inside that plane and so others...

ATC should have just said “line up and wait”

So many people in the comments who aren’t pilots is hilarious. ATC DID INDEED mean they had 3 minutes to be airborne. The control tower was closed at the time and the runway happened to be closed for the next 3 minutes. Southwest probably didn’t check that and just departed the closed runway. The controller that gave them clearance was clearing them into the airspace not for takeoff specifically from that airport. The controller that cleared them into the airspace is the controller that oversees traffic in the larger area surrounding that airport and when the tower is closed, you have to get clearance from them to depart into their airspace. If they hadn’t been airborne within 3 minutes, he wanted them to call back no later than 5 minutes to tell them wtf they’re doing so that they can get another slot into the airspace.

These are not clear instructions from ATC. And that's why standardizing helps. He could have said to line up and wait, and that the runway was still closed. And repeat the last part, because it's important. The way it was portrayed, it seemed like the pilot had 3m to takeoff, or clearance would be revoked. Do not reinvent the wheel.

ATC fault

Basically ATC should have corrected the pilot "Thats takeoff cleared IN three minutes, not cleared FOR three minutes."

Or, really, just "Hold for takeoff, vehicle on runway."

tower guy says "clearance in 3 minutes" and he also says "no later than 5 minutes". Pretty clearly indicates that pilot is expected to wait until 3 minutes have elapsed, at which point he'd have 2 minutes to lift off. I do think that mixing up your command parlance is not smart, and I support rigidly standardized radio language.

The ATC didn't give clearly understandable instructors.

Who were speaking as written in green?

Was the pilot risking to kill himself with other crew & passengers to follow him die together? 😱. Was it so important for the pilot to be correct in that case?

Random question: Are ATC controllers required to take regular English language grammar examinations?

Does ATC allow for variance in airplane clocks, or are they all supposed to be adjusted regularly to match a master clock?

Even ground thought atc was telling them to takeoff within 3 minutes that's why he piped in.
This is ATC 's fault

Was this at PWM??? Geesh... Someone needs to synch their clocks!!! I would imagine the airport vehicle was on the runway to "open" it...
"VALID to take off in three minutes"

It was the "if not off in 3 minutes" that caused the confusion. Made it sound like them departing in more than 3 minutes would be a problem rather than the expectation.

Chad

I am not a pilot nor an atc expert. IMO all the atc had to tell him hold short of runway 29 or line up and wait. Too much bla bla bla. Very confusing.