Lewis and Tolkien Debate Myths and Lies

Even best friends fight

"Surprised By Joy" ~ CS Lewis

The dialogue was also key in Tolkien's remaking Akallabeth into an Earth-remake; putting the Straight Road into/through Outer Space; and equating the quest for the Blessed Realm removed from the circles of the world to the quest to push out to the Final Frontier.

Beautiful conversation on the creation of spirit, how the thought of mankind in its free thinking form can become One with the universe.

I really love this. As I read the lord of the rings, I’m almost overwhelmed with how wonderful it is to read stories about courage and resisting temptation and truly good stories about Noble actions and heroism. Things I didn’t enjoy when I was a vapid atheist, I now enjoy with such childlike wonder. I wish so many people could be persuaded to see God and be fueled by these great stories of acting pleasing according to his will.

I cannot imagine the mental depravity necessary to give this a thumbs down

Are they real Lewis and Tolkien? Or actors?

C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity", "Hope" Chapter explains this concept... that our Hopes give us clues to wonderful things to come. “If I discover within myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world.”
- C.S. Lewis

CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien the two greatest influences on my life to date.

CS Lewis more but if it wasnt for Tolkien Lewis probably wouldve never written theological books.

Why does Tolkien look like Lewis and Lewis like Tolkien?

There were only six years between these two, yet they make Lewis look a couple of decades younger than Tolkien. But it's a good scene all the same, and the Lewis actor has the voice down really well.

amazing video! i love your comedy videos as well.. but this is an important video as well

What is the title of this feature film? Thanks in advanced for an answer.

I've watched this video countless times and used it in apologetics work toward Christians of other denominational views. (I'm Reformed Presbyterian.) I did a commentary/reaction video on it on my channel. Thanks so much for keeping it up, it's one of my favorites.

We create because we where created
God is amazing

Jack Tolkien?

What movie or documentary is this called

The actor for Tolkien is doing a surprisingly good impression of him

...Jesus the Imagination...and his servant..William Blake approve and bless and inspire this discourse..abounding thru the ..Halls of Los...AMEN AWEN AUM OGHAM AMEN

If you can imagine something then its true.??

Which one is Lewis and which one is Tolkien?

"We make things by the law in which we are made."

Tolkien is arguing what I’ve been trying to argue for years now but so much better than I ever could.

Is this scene from a movie?

i accidentally clicked something, not even a video, and now i'm here. what

These are actors creating a debate between J. Tolkien and C. Lewish. I believe C. Lewis’s form of Christianity, which I have only heard about in good ways and I am Not personally acqainted with, came from his own spiritual enlightenment. J. Tolkien had studied world mythologies often connected to religion but he makes no direct reference to Christianity in Lord of The rings. J. Tolkien encouraged his large audience to original and world historical mythologies.

This is the biggest load of baloney I’ve ever heard!

Oh, Tolkien. Why couldn't you have lived to be eleventy-one?

It sounds a lot like Jane Austen: Darcy to Elizabeth: You often take positions you have no belief in to form an argument.

better than the Tolkien movie

Is quite strange to see writers that have such different beliefs from the opposite end of the Pendulum yet they remain good friends

This is wonderful. If you like this, check out the play: Freuds Last Session written by Mark St. Germain.

Maybe one day...you idiots will understand the Kennedy Oz enigma was all lies with dead Disney associates..

This is a great discussion and very well acted for such modest means. I was raised a Catholic, am now a respectful agnostic, and have always been a dreamer haha. I think the only dislike of this video could be by those disrespectful... not that all atheists are disrespectful by nature.. but I posit that they are disrespectful of reason.. for to be an atheist is a logical fallacy in that you are using the same faith in something you do not know to assert the otherside of the existence of a supreme being. I should clarify, this in and of itself is not disrespectful, but to militantly assert that you are correct in your assumption/belief and all others heretics is no better than the fanatical theist starting wars over doctrine that these same people so often cast aspersions upon. This one mans opinion, anyways :)

please please this video is one of my favorite and I want to translate the subtitles in french so that I can share it with family and friends, but I can't, the contribution mode isn't activated !!!if you see this comment please activate the mode !

Jordan Peterson converts Sam Harris.

Did they actually say all of this?

Ah Tolkien and Lewis. Two greats in fantasy. My inspirations.

Who's who? If the speaker's Tolkien, why would he call Lewis "Jack?" Tolkien's named Jack; Lewis is named Clive. I really don't understand. So the speaker's Lewis, right?

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I'm fairly certain, having read much by both of them, that neither Tolkien nor Lewis would ever have said "myths are lies and therefore useless". This video however does seem to be a misleading product of fancy.

Idk if anyone is gonna see this but this fuck blew my mind right tf off👀

What movie is this from?

Myths are not lies breathed through silver. They are truths breathed through silver. How many times have we found reality to not be as thrilling when not spun by someone to be more interesting?

Imagination, Creativity, Morality...
Meanings are spiritual issues.
We are indeed living in the "Matrix," and the Divine Storyteller has created all of this in order to share His love beyond the limits of this "History." That's why our reality appears finite, so that He can train us to desire infinity, and His meaningful Story gives us a context for living happily ever after.

“But,” said Lewis, “myths are lies, even though lies breathed through silver.”

“No”, said Tolkien, “they are not.

...just as speech is invention about objects and ideas, so myth is invention about truth.

“We have come from God (continued Tolkien), and inevitably the myths woven by us, though they contain error, will also reflect a splintered fragment of the true light, the eternal truth that is with God. Indeed only by myth-making, only by becoming a 'sub-creator' and inventing stories, can Man aspire to the state of perfection that he knew before the Fall. Our myths may be misguided, but they steer however shakily towards the true harbour, while materialistic 'progress' leads only to a yawning abyss and the Iron Crown of the power of evil.”

“You mean”, asked Lewis, “that the story of Christ is simply a true myth, a myth that works on us in the same way as the others, but a myth that really happened? In that case”, he said, “I begin to understand.”

-J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography

Haha!