Why Most Collab Operators Are Terrible (And How To Fix Them) [Arknights]

Eating dp when flagbearers are a thing would be an insane powercreep to sp too

Cool opinion but my E2 Fuze has funny russian accent and does 0 damage and explodey through high tile so all your arguments are invalid I win

Im at the point where I dont even care if a unit is good or not, im just collecting the little guys, if one is op great, it can carry my trust farms so I can help out the little guys, but usually my weird 5 stars are more memorable little underdogs, it feels like I make the game my own when I use em

I mean, yes. Why my collab operator can’t be both goofy and actually work as an operator.
How many operators was forgotten from being powercrept? How many operators was just outright ignored from their introduction, due to their kit being just outright boring to play.
Good character not just will melt either boss, and then retreat/being bullied by a horde of enemies, or outheall god itself. He would be genuinely funny to play.
Now hot take: Fuze fills good. Crazy statement, I know, dude literally popukar with a gun, and a gimmick half of us will never use not because some stages simply won’t allow us to, but because we forget switch from skill 1. But he’s gameplay with skill 2 while is requiring specific conditions to be met: (conditions for skill itself, and actual need for using its skill) but still feels fun to play.

I Honestly Agree With Supah Here,I Mean Seriously Every Collab Unit that We Got so Far Except For Ela and Yato Alt is Generally Not Good.

I Mean Let's Be Real Here,All of The R6S 5 Star Units are so Bad (Well Except for Frost I guess)

the gimmick of a puppet master that immediately kills herself is, well, exactly that. a gimmick. that's how most of the characters are, some weird bullshit mechanic that makes them awkward to use. Probably the most overlooked example of this is Ash's stun based skill that doesn't even keep them stunned for the full skill duration.

"Atk up y is the worst skill in the game"
Blast Range Up a: Hold my AoE

u forgot to even say, marcille during chanting, if she hit by stun/frozen or any kind of similar attack, it will inturrept her chanting and she will have to restart from the beginning

man supah I love you and all but you're really gay.

Marcille's stun animation is enough to pull her

No way this motherfucker maid gummy in monster hunter world this is crazy

Besides their lackluster kits, I really like the design of the dungeon meshi units. Like they really put a lot of efforts in all the little animations. I want more units like that. In comparison R6 animations are... shoot or shoot harder lol. Only Iana has some flavour with her hologram.

There's so much operator especially Marcille who easy to use, but people still complaining about them.
We cant do anything about marcille's damage, but that mana Mechanism is still easy even newcomer still can use her.

Rest in peace come to Brazil

I usually agree with you but the only "bad" 6 star collab operator is Marcille tho. Most 5 stars are goofy anyways, collab or not.

Marcille isn't terrible, just kinda mediocre. Her s2 is decent.

Ash was good, it's just that she was released a long time so she got powercrept (does anyone even use marksman class operators anymore?).

Agree with this.

*"Since you don't have a father figure I'll let you borrow mine." * Is a cold as hell line.

I agree! We could totally have unique and strong collaboration units. Seeing Marcille skill 3 and how the mana works really got to my nerve.

Im sure this will be fixed when the limbus company collab DEFINITELY HAPPENS

Most hated AK Content creator
Yet here we are, watching this

Bro just being an anti villain

But Surpah you have repeatedly stated that DP isn't an issue due to flagepipe existing, it's the entire reasons you said the earlygame DPS niche was powercrept.

Yeah, like Surtr with 8 medic but with this we use 8 vanguard instead

idk but Ela can fix me anytime

please remember good girl mostima with her 2 skill. its like that explosion skill, but smaller range, cheaper, easyer to use and no chant

Ela is actually terrible

Ahh yes . Come back to see usual supah shit take again. Can't get any better

Okay here is my hot take.

I agree in parts.
I believe that the biggest problem is the fear of connecting Arknights mechanics into the Collab units as that would feel like the collab 'lost' their unique traits.
Rainbow 6 should use AMMO and CHARGES instead of Skill Per Deployment as that would let the units be more usable and keep the theme of R6.
Dungeon Meshi mana is terrible because it is an entire new concept only for one operator. I believe that they should have tried something different or even created a new Caster Class like Battery fo exemple.
All Caster: Battery would start with their SP fuelled and activate their skills, working almost like an Executor, the difference is that their traits would permit that they can still gain their SP while having their Skills active to extend the duration, this would work with Marcille theme of mana while also giving a new class for future operators to have.

I believe that collabs should focus on themes that already has on the game or that could use for future operators.
Monster Hunter Operators worked well because if you changed Yato Alter and Noir Alter work better than most other collabs units is because they not only are OP or good Operators, but their skills and usages also fit, meanwhile R6 Per Deployment skills make the operators look more useful for Nicheknights and Dungeon Meshi Mana makes things worst as it forces to create skills around a unique weird system.
By combining the mechanics of Arknights or creating things to also be used for future operators makes those collab units better, for exemple, Marcille would be able to gain and keep her skills with the help of other operators instead of making her dependable on Senchi to recuperate Mana.
I believe that there is a good reason why most of the 'best' Arknights Collab units doesn't try to create new or unique mechanics only for themselves.

I like how collab units feel different most of the time. For example Tachanka is swordmaster with a gun (and instructor-type range) and Iana is dolkeeper that doesnt attack on first form, but has strong counterattack. In fact most collab units feel unique and thats nice. Some of them being OP might just be an fortunate/unfortunate byproduct.

Then there is Luo Xiaohei who is just cat-shaped Arene who took lessons from Saga.

I mean Luo is stronger than most collab units but i'd rather had Tachanka or Iana than Luo if you ask me. One is fresh, the other is just half-copy of what i had.

nice click bait im biting it. good one

"By using DP you won't outclass SP"
Myrtle felt a disturbance in the fabric of reality.

Marcille being a ranged merchant would indeed be pretty cool. But ofc, HG wouldn't do anything as extraordinary, like giving a mechanic tied to dp to a caster. After all, it's against the rules they themselves made. No room for innovation. Just make a gooffy earthshaker class, which is basically a dualstrike or crusher, but more basic, and call it a day.

And of course, making more creative modules, ones that would give the strugling operator what they need, is a no-go as well.

Sadly, no thing about the 5* was said, besides Laios being an April Fools joke briefly mentioned. Even Noir Corne has strong competition, and I wouldn't raise him, if he wasn't Noir Corne. I would just go with Akafuyu, which seems much more fun.

are you have skill issue or just for your con....
😅

Supah, idk if you knew, but Marcille is meant to be Italian

imagine a kono suba collab and megumin chants for 10 secs on skill 3 and dies after using it and has no stun. New 1hr rant vid

what if war thunder and arknights collab

Blitz and Frost aren't bad operators.
Blitz provides AOE Stun and silences enemies, but limited to 4 uses per deployment. It's a bit gimmicky but still useful especially considering how not many operators can give AoE silence. His S2 is a viable Stun against close range enemies.

Frost is a solid trapmaster, providing either stun CC or a bind CC + slight burst. You can see her usage in SN-EX-8 to handle the enemies with dodge pretty well. She's just powercrept by the 6 star operators who provide far higher DPS and utility.


Doc is severely restricted by the 3-use limit on both skills, which is a big shame. His S2 can still be used with specific niches like to empower Aak synergy on any operator, but it's very niche.
Iana is alright. She's like a liberator guard who does nothing until attacked or until she activates her skill. Her invis reveal is good, but her doll 20s cycling timer leaves a lot to be desired on her S1 and S2.

Fuze and Tachanka are alright operators at E2. Fuze kind of sucks before E2 since he depends heavily on his module due to his low DEF stats to lanehold. His 3-use S2 has some wonky requirements that only further limits its use and positioning. Against stationary targets, it hits 3 times, but against slow moving targets, it can hit up to 5.

Laios got the short end of the stick out of all the 5 star collab operators. Frighten is not a good niche. It's the same problem with Ash's S2 not being unit-proofed in design. Enemies gain stun resistance. Laios S1 is really bad with a huge drawback for a dueling archetype. Especially due to Laios being a Dreadnought guard for his S2 - he's just 1 block, so his skills isn't very versatile in general.

Also, I need to point out that Marcille S3 is meant to be used as a stall skill. Reliable and spammable AoE Stun but can be used as a burst if needed to either nuke or freeze the entire wave. it could also be used to force a specific block-encounter since most bosses are stun-immune. Though Marcille could definitely be designed stronger since it looks like they only made Laios and Marcille as strong as the beginning episodes in Dungeon Meshi. Marcille's true speciality isn't fire magic and Laios is far stronger later on in the series, but it seems they didn't make the ops based on that.

so glad it was Marcelle and not the stupid reddit elf (freiren) that got the collab.

I love SUPAH

Damn that discord msg really went deep there.....

la creatura

What on earth was that discord manifesto, good grief that person needs help.

I hate collabs with a passion. Just don't do it.

Why is Huehue do the griddy