X1 vs XL: AMS vs Toolchanger - What's better?

compare $1300 printer to $4400 printer like comparing Honda Fit to F-Pace

I hate how bambu printers poop even when you dont have an AMS and are just using 1 filament. super wasteful

did STLFLIX increase prices after you dropped this video? I see 300/y , 179.90/y and 29.90/m

You are comparing a €2800 machine (prusa xl with enclosure) to a €799 machine (P1S with AMS and enclosure)? It better has at least a few advantages.

Wouldn't it be possible to cut the filament slightly before the end of a step is reached? Then also print from the outside in so the color change happens in the infill which doesn't need to be any particular color anyway.
So when cutting the filament, you have about X cm of tool path left before color change, so cut when you have that much minus safety margin left of visible edges left to print with this color. After that, because you move inwards, print the inside infill while the color changes, and if the color is fully changed by the time you are done with this step's infill, you can start with the outside edges of the next color.
With this, you shouldn't need poop towers for anything other than very small color patches and the first/last few layers.

apples vs oranges

Proforge4.2 from Makertech is a 4 headet tool changer 😊

How about a battle: AMS vs CMS vs MMU vs Box Turtle vs….

Bambulab A1 incl. AMS vs. Prusa XL 5 Extruder ... 339€ vs. 3.699€ ... apples and oranges even if you take this into account at the end

Which brand of filament is the white, rounded spool with light brown filaments?

On my X1C with AMS, I use PLA as support interface layer for PETG prints. Since I only print one interface layer and orient them horizontally, added time and purged waste is not an issue. For good layer adhesion, I cranked up the flushing volume when changing back to PETG which seems to work great. However, a slight layer shift is visible on all layers with filament changes. It is way too small to measure, but still visible and I can feel it with my finger tips. Any clues why?

We definitely have to use IDEX more often

And I was thinking that I was wasting too much material with supports, this is crazy, you can just paint it afterwards. And some people goes as far as say that it is good for the environment. What a waste of money, time and plastic.

toolchanger with one tool attach to a ams equivalent

Lol. This really is not a question. If you love wasting plastics, yep, buy Bambuwastelab.

My A1 Combos switch filaments faster than my XL, and my A1 prints come out at least as good as what the XL pumps out. I could’ve bought 10 more A1 Combos for what my XL cost me 🥲

I enjoyed this very thorough comparison, but at the end of the day I really feel like the price difference makes this such an apples/oranges situation.

You briefly mentioned 16-color printing on the X1, but neglected to mention that such a setup would be - at most - 2/3 the price of a 5-color XL. The price issue almost seemed purposely downplayed in order to shine a better light on the XL, but that could be my own bias toward my X1 showing.

It might be interesting to hear an up to date view on filament driers.

Your sponsor is a theif. He designs items based on other peoples designs and then claims copyright on them so the other designers get their shops taken down.

The Sovol SV08 has 2 muti tool changer mods.

I ordered my Anycubic Kobra S1 Combo. Excited to get it. The Bambu mess tipped the scales for me.

And yet people still buys bambulab. Just like people still buys Iphone. Wanna know why? Because its basically great out of the box

One of the biggest disadvantage of Bambu's AMS is wear over time and reliability.
I already leave my AMS units without the base screws because I have to disassemble them regularly to fix issues with material stuck between the first stage feeder and the internal hub... or inside the feeder... or inside the hub... Nothing in there that I didn't have to completely disassemble yet.
Also the first stage feeders significantly lose grip after 5-7,000 printing hour (my two bambus have beyond 10k hours now) what causes error when feeding material. The first stage feeders have no changeable parts (or at least the are no spare parts available), so you have to change the whole feeder for 40 buck + shipping...
Next thng is the excessive movement of filament when changing wears out the PTFE tubes in no time - two weeks ago I for the first time had a feeding error pop up and found the filament sticking out through a hole in the tube between AMS and buffer.

All in all the AMS turned into a maintenance nightmare after reaching the 5000h mark.
Alternatives would be a good IDEX printer (although I have products needing two colors and an interface material, but those don't make the majority) , but it seems besides Flashforge (with a hefty pricetag) most manufacturers seem to have given up IDEX in favor of AMS like multiplex systems....
So the Elephant in the room is the XL... including a pricetag with which I couldn't keep reasonable production costs.

Bambulab, we need an P1-IDEX please! with an AMS otion to one extruder if more than 2 colors/materials are needed ;)

As I see it, with about $1000 price difference, the X1 is the better option if the XL doesn’t beat its print quality. It would take a VERY long time to spend the $1000 of savings on wasted poop. Poop costs next to nothing.

When I was looking for a multi-material printer, the only options where either the Makertech3d Proforge4 or the Prusa XL. Couldn't find any reviews for the Proforge4 and needed a CE certified Printer, so I choose the XL, a look at the Proforge4 would be interesting though.

The Pruxa XL is freaking awesome but not realistic for consumer grade.
Maybe some day!?

All I know is that you can buy a heck of a lot of filament to waste for the cost of that Prusa XLwith all five tool heads.

Great video. I would be interested in a future video that specifically talks about the Prusa MMU3 multi material system.

有意思，一个$3,499对标$1,399，恰饭充值不要这么明显

You didn't really cover the Prusa MMU3 which uses a single nozzle, but doesn't have the waste of the Bambu. The XL is definitely the choice for multiple materials or nozzle sizes

Which Filament dryer (for one spool) would you recommend?

As for scambu labs i was going to buy one but nope ill never deal with them ever. That's a slope that is so slippery they deserve to go out of business. Great video and it made me laugh every time you said POOP with such disdain.

stl flix is an asshole

I might eventually get a multicolor printer. If I want multicolor, If it's something that has multiple parts to it, I'll print each part in the desired color, or I'll hand paint them lol. I enjoy painting, so I don't mind taking the time to paint them.

Coule uou make some other tests in a next video?

I would like to know on AMS side:

- if solutions exist to use soluble support materials ? This may allow even more crazy designs with supports which can be kept inside the printed parts.

- there is a trick to deeply embed magnets/bolts/you-name-it inside 3D prints, which makes the resilt more sturdy. May AMS usage allow pausing the prints to do those tricks?

- how the hot end temperature impact the mixong between soluble support material and other materials ? (especially PLA/PETG/ABS/Carbón, as TPU could be really tricky to work with soluble supports).

- how the AMS deals with the switching between two spools of the same material? In theory only a slight waste should be observed.



And on the multi tool side:

- csn we set the printer to use a purge tower for each tool instead of a single tower for all ? This will allow some recycling to be done if colors are not mixed up.

Can you review the Creality Hi Combo? I wanted to buy the Bamboo Lab a1+AMS but after seeing the recent firmware issue, I am looking for an alternative that can do multi-colors.

The frog jumping is soooooo cute

The technology in the Prusa seems cool, but man, I can't justify the price. The five toolhead model is $7,000 in Canada. Dropping to two heads is still $6,000. That can buy a fairly recent car on the used market, so to spend that on a printer seems ludicrous.

I'd like a dual head printer on the bambu, I only print for tabletop uses and household bits and bobs (like wheels for my units etc.). I hate the time increase made by using a support interface. A dual head printer would solve this almost completely

Dude your mic is so hot it’s clipping. Turn down the gain, bro.

El problema mas grande es que 1 prusa vale 3 bambu.
No tiene picos reforzados y no es cerrada.
Por lo que sigue siendo mas rentable una bambu con ams antes que una prusa.
La bambu tarda mas, pero tener 3 contra 1 impresora, a nivel trabajo, mejor mas cantidad.
Espero que saquen mas impresoras multi material.
De igual forma, es mejor tener 6 impresoras A1 con ams, antes que una X1 carbon.
Es mas, para trabajar, puede que sea mejor tener mas de 10 A1 mini antes que una X1 o una XL.
Pero no tenemos tanto lugar jajajaja

Wow 5000? thats a rip off. Pretty clear winner here.

Makes me glad I print just one color tools 99% of the time! The only thing I print in a different color is labels and lines, like on rulers and carpentry triangles!

whatever happened to just aving 2 nozzles on the same ot-end? I feel like i havent seen one in years.

Thanks for the video! That was a interesting take on it, and make some points clearer.

You quickly talk about Open Source model, but you don't talk about Ratrig, especially the Vcore 4 with the Idex. Do you have any thoughts on that model, especially on the multi Materials topic?

Thanks!